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- Thu 01 Mar, 2012 10:30 am
Post subject: Wine hadith in Sahih Muslim

صحيح مسلم - كِتَاب الْحَجِّ - أن العباس بن عبد المطلب استأذن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يبيت بمكة ليالي منى من أجل سقايته فأذن له

2319 1316 وَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمِنْهَالِ الضَّرِيرُ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدٌ الطَّوِيلُ عَنْ بَكْرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ الْمُزَنِيِّ قَالَ كُنْتُ جَالِسًا مَعَ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ عِنْدَ الْكَعْبَةِ فَأَتَاهُ أَعْرَابِيٌّ فَقَالَ مَا لِي أَرَى بَنِي عَمِّكُمْ يَسْقُونَ الْعَسَلَ وَاللَّبَنَ وَأَنْتُمْ تَسْقُونَ النَّبِيذَ أَمِنْ حَاجَةٍ بِكُمْ أَمْ مِنْ بُخْلٍ فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ مَا بِنَا مِنْ حَاجَةٍ وَلَا بُخْلٍ قَدِمَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَلَى رَاحِلَتِهِ وَخَلْفَهُ أُسَامَةُ فَاسْتَسْقَى فَأَتَيْنَاهُ بِإِنَاءٍ مِنْ نَبِيذٍ فَشَرِبَ وَسَقَى فَضْلَهُ أُسَامَةَ وَقَالَ أَحْسَنْتُمْ وَأَجْمَلْتُمْ كَذَا فَاصْنَعُوا فَلَا نُرِيدُ تَغْيِيرَ مَا أَمَرَ بِهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

So Muslim is basically saying that our prophet drank wine and even gave some to Zaid (I think he was a child back then). As usual, the chapter has NOTHING to do either with Hajj (except for the account being told next to the Ka'aba) or asking the prophet to stay over in order to get drunk. Such a misleading title, as usual. I don't know but I just can't conceive of our prophet drinking wine for some reason when Allah says this:

٥:٩٠ يأيها الذين امنوا انما الخمر والميسر والانصاب والازلام رجس من عمل الشيطان فاجتنبوه لعلكم تفلحون

Obviously from this verse 'ijtanibooh' refers to the 'rijs' and this 'rijs' reffers to 4 things (rijs doesn't have a plural in Arabic as far as I know, one of those words) 'khamr', 'maysir', 'ansab' and 'azlam'. So this verse is telling us to stay away from them.

I heard some people on our group on FB saying that 'khamr' is allowed since no 'tahrim' came down in Quran. What do you think about this? My mind is set on this, the verse is clear.

here are two more hadiths presented by the indecent Amr Adeeb:

Link

- Sun 04 Mar, 2012 6:10 am
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As far as I know, wine was indeed drunk amongst Muslims until such time that the prophibition of alcohol was revealed.

So, whether Mohammed himself ever drank any, I guess we will never know for sure. It is possible he may have done so before the prohibition, or while not yet active as a prophet.

I would be relaxed about such hadith; if it refers to a time before alcohol was forbidden,it is irrelevant information, and if it alleges an event afterwards, then it contradicts the quran, make no sense and can be safely ignored...

- Sun 04 Mar, 2012 11:32 pm
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gilito wrote:

Yes we can definitely discard the hadith since it's irrelevant information to begin with. Secondly, if you watch the video, the hadith mentioned there said he drank DAY and NIGHT which means he was drunk most of the time and thus could not has spread the message or even prayed. This was allgedly after he became a prophet.