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Bring it on - A self appointed freak
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:05 am
Post subject: A self appointed freak
Salam all

Someone on FFI posted this http://edip_yuksel.youaremighty.com/

now we can see the true intentions of that self appointed freak


Salam
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:07 pm
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Here is a guy from the 19ers cult promoting Edip on FFI:

[quote="Emre1974tr"]

Satan is you Realist.

World is like ostrcih egg(geoid) according to Quran. Don't afraid datas. Come to real datas.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/articles.asp?id=39

Regards.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:09 pm
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Dominus wrote:
Why do you peddle the same debunked apologetics? You've been debunked on JREF. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79983&page=2 The earth is an oblate spheroid (very slightly so) but the ostrich egg is a prolate spheroid. I think you've been told this already.


Emre1974tr wrote:
No, you are escaping from reality.
World is like ann egg. Very easy data.
Best regards and peace.


[quote="Huston"]

Haha.. You need a crash course in perceiving a prolate and oblate spheroid you 3 dimensionally deficient fool-lower.

Here is the geometric form of the earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate


Here is the geometric form of an egg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolate
Thumbnail, click to enlarge.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:12 pm
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[quote="Emre1974tr"]

Dear friend;

Quran says" like ostrich egg".

Egg= ekvator is biggest long side. Other sides are smaller. And "pollars" are smallest long sides.

And planets too. Ekvator is longest side. Pollars are smallest. Ant other sides are between evkator and pollars.

So World=ostrich egg.

Not sphere
Not flat.

Geoidical.

Regards.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:13 pm
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[quote="Dominus"]

Look at the diagrams Emre,
The prolate spheroid has two short axes and one long one.

The oblate spheroid has one short axis and two long ones.

They are not the same.

You are not thinking in three dimensions.

The fact that they have different names - prolate spheroid and oblate spheroid should tell you that they are different. The earth is an oblate spheroid. Bird eggs, including those of ostriches, are prolate spheroids.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:15 pm
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Emre1974tr wrote:
No, you are escaping from reality.
World is like ann egg. Very easy data.
Best regards and peace.



[quote="ixolite"]
Repeating that sentence like a mantra doesn't make it reality.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2540414&postcount=69


Emre1974tr wrote:
Dear friend;
Quran says" like ostrich egg".


[quote="ixolite"]
That's a lie.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:17 pm
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Emre1974tr wrote:
World is like an ostrich egg. And Quran gives us this data. This is miracle really.
Regards.



[quote="Dominus"]
Keep saying it Emre, if it makes you feel better. However, it only goes to show you have no conception of what the earth looks like. Stop thinking in 2 dimensions. In 3 dimensions the earth is an oblate spheroid. Ostrich eggs are prolate spheroids.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:18 pm
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Emre1974tr wrote:
World is like an ostrich egg. And Quran gives us this data. This is miracle really.
Regards.


[quote="Huston"]

I think your playback button is stuck, you who is deficient of percieveing three dimensional objects.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:19 pm
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[quote="Emre1974tr"]
Dear Dominis, i am speking about 3d world.

Akvator is biggeest (most fat side)

Pollars are smallest sides in eggs.

And in world-earth too.

Quran gives "an example" from in our life. And ostrich egg is wonderfull example.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/articles.asp?id=39

Regards.




[quote="Huston"]

Like I have been saying, I think your playback button is stuck, you who is deficient of percieveing three dimensional objects.

Eggs are stretched form the poles, not squashed.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:22 pm
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[quote="AhmedBahgat"]


Actually Huston

I never heard that Dahia means an ostrich egg, on the other hand the word we have in hand is a verb "Dahaa" Not a NOUN, and for your sock that verb Dahaaha means to squash

Hahahahahah, Slam Dunk Huston
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:23 pm
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
Actually Huston

I never heard that Dahia means an ostrich egg...


[quote="Huston"]What, you mean you have never read Islamic websites? I agree with you that it is not an ostrich egg.

AhmedBahgat wrote:
on the other hand the word we have in hand is a verb "Dahaa" Not a NOUN, and for your sock that verb Dahaaha means to squash


Huston wrote:
Squashed like what? I used squash as a descriptive term. The earth is slightly oblate spheroid because of centripetal forces, nothing is being squashed. It could be squash like a piece of doe, like a pizza.


AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hahahahahah, Slam Dunk Huston


Huston wrote:
Who me, or the moron saying the Earth is egg shaped?
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:24 pm
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
Actually Huston

I never heard that Dahia means an ostrich egg...



Huston wrote:
What, you mean you have never read Islamic websites? I agree with you that it is not an ostrich egg.


I meant in Arabic, there is a game however called dahia that I used to play when I was a kid, in that game we play with seeds of the apricot, the winner keeps taking the seeds from other players, the apricot seeds is a valued item for kids in Egypt (I was one of them) and we used to eat the apricot to collect the seeds inside, then we wash and dry them and play, we used to have bags containing thousands of this seeds, and the one of us who have the most is like the master of us, this is the only link I can see between the verb Dahaaha and the the noun Dahia, ironically the seed of the apricot is NOT A PERFECT CIRCLE


AhmedBahgat wrote:
on the other hand the word we have in hand is a verb "Dahaa" Not a NOUN, and for your sock that verb Dahaaha means to squash


Huston wrote:
Squashed like what?



Squashed like the seed of an apricot is squashed


Huston wrote:
I used squash as a descriptive term.



and I play Squash too :*)

Huston wrote:
The earth is slightly oblate spheroid because of centripetal forces, nothing is being squashed.



well, the verb dahaaha means it is squashed, however I can show you another miracle verse that clealy says the earh diameter at the polls has been decreased by Allah :*)

Huston wrote:
It could be squash like a piece of doe, like a pizza.


or it can be squashing a ball slightly

AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hahahahahah, Slam Dunk Huston


Huston wrote:
Who me, or the moron saying the Earth is egg shaped?


I reckon both of you have been slam dunked :*)
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:25 pm
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[quote="Emre1974tr"]

You will learn the ostrich egg. You can't change the arabic.

Yes you know, ostrich egg is wonderful example for our planet.

So now, you changing your speaking.

Yes , ostrich egg is great example really.

Regards.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:26 pm
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Emre1974tr wrote:
You will learn the ostrich egg. You can't change the arabic.

Yes you know, ostrich egg is wonderful example for our planet.

So now, you changing your speaking.

Yes , ostrich egg is great example really.

Regards.



Hello

I can accept that the noun Dahia can be used to mean an ostrich egg, but the word (Dahaaha) in the verse is a VERB not a NOUN, do you agree on that bro?

I'm not changing any Arabic bro, why I have to do that?

Salam
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:27 pm
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
and I play Squash too :*)


Huston wrote:
Thats a shame, living on different continents. I played that back in university. That was only a year since I finished.


AhmedBahgat wrote:
well, the verb dahaaha means it is squashed, however I can show you another miracle verse that clealy says the earh diameter at the polls has been decreased by Allah :*)


Huston wrote:
May I see. Embarassed


AhmedBahgat wrote:
or it can be squashing a ball slightly


Huston wrote:
Agreed. However, such specifics are not clearly mentioned, not that it matters, the earth is not oblate because of squishing.


AhmedBahgat wrote:
I reckon both of you have been slam dunked :*)


Huston wrote:
No, that would just be the 19er. :p
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:28 pm
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[quote="Sundried Atheist"]

I don't know why anyone takes this clown Epid Yuksel seriously.
This idiot is a spammer. He goes round posting his ID thesis all over the internet forums. Remeber the Thhe Blind Watchmaker or smeling hius cheese thread he opened here. He has posted the same darn thing at Richard dawkins' forum. This intellectually challenged idiot has no shame. If he had a bit of shame he wouldn't post it in an atheist forum. Very Happy Never mind posting it there, he wouldnt even register and try to debate with the guys at RD forum. They made him look like an intellectual midget 19 times over.

I can understand if he wanted to debate his nonsense here, where we attract our own religious nutcases. But why did Epid take his fight over to an atheist forum I'll never know. And that too he had to go to RD's forum of all places. Man those guys at RD forum are super intelligent. They mopped the floor with this Islamic 19 idiot.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:29 pm
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[quote="Sundried Atheist"]

And check this out... about that moron Epid Yukse...

http://edip_yuksel.youaremighty.com/

http://edip_yuksel.justgotowned.com/

I would put Epid, Ahmed Bucket , Nadir Achmet, Yasmie Zakaria and MENJ in the same category. They are all shameless and they all passionately try to defend Muhammad and Islam- the indefensible.!!

And they are all bloody childish too.
- Fri 15 Jun, 2007 1:30 pm
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
and I play Squash too :*)


Huston wrote:
Thats a shame, living on different continents. I played that back in university. That was only a year since I finished.


Well, not shame really rather good for you because Egypt and Australia are the strongest countries in Squash in the whole planet, this means you would have no chance with me (being and Egyptian Australian of course)

AhmedBahgat wrote:
well, the verb dahaaha means it is squashed, however I can show you another miracle verse that clearly says the earth diameter at the poles has been decreased by Allah :*)


Huston wrote:
May I see. Embarassed


Sure, let me give you a small intro first, I had this debate with my wife cousin, who is an apostate, an Egyptian, and lives in the UK, he is also near my age, about 44 years old, I caught him red handed in a case of Arabica language ignorance DESPITE he is an Egyptian like me and speaks Arabic fluently

Let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s look at the following verse directed at the Kuffar like you:

Do they not see that We are reducing the earth from its ends? And Allah pronounces a doom-- there is no repeller of His decree, and He is swift to take account.

[The Quran ; 13:41]

أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّا نَأْتِي الأَرْضَ نَنقُصُهَا مِنْ أَطْرَافِهَا وَاللّهُ يَحْكُمُ لاَ مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكْمِهِ وَهُوَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ (41)


-> The verse start by asking the Kuffar if they can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s see the following: ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّا نَأْتِي الأَرْضَ نَنقُصُهَا مِنْ أَطْرَافِهَا????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Do they not see that We are reducing the earth from its ends????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, mo wife cousin disputed the above translation while resorting to all flawed translation available for 13:41 to prove his case, he suggested that the Arabic word أَطْرَافِهَا means (the rich people, i.e. the verse says (according to him): ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Do they not see that We are reducing the earth from its rich people????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, obviously I got him red handed in hear committing an act of ignorance, the Arabic word for rich people is like this ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????Mutrafiha????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? and looks like this in Arabic مترفيها and if used on the same wazn as the word in 13:41 then it has to look like this: اترافها , can you spot the difference?, well let me put it to you under each other so it is easier for you to spot it:

أَطْرَافِهَا as appeared in 13:41 means ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????ITS ENDS????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????

اترافها as alleged by my wife cousin means ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????ITS RICH PEOPLE????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????

So my wife cousin had no other option but to concede his ignorance, he did not concede the obvious miracle in 13:41 though, see how the veil is working?

Now let me explain this easy one, it won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t take much indeed, the Arabic words are clear, it is a message to the Kuffar to look at a sign, and the sign is (Allah reduces the earth from its Ends) according to 13:41. now what can be the ends of the earth other than the two Poles?, i.e. Allah says to the kuffar in 13:41, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? Do they not see that We are reducing the earth from its Poles?????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????

Now, I don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t expect you to concede, however I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m eager to see what you can come up with to refute this clear miracle in 13:41

AhmedBahgat wrote:
or it can be squashing a ball slightly


Huston wrote:
Agreed.



If you agree, then you have no chance but to agree that it is possible that this is what the message of the verse is. That Allah squashed the earth slightly from its poles, if you can????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t agree on that, then you need to refute 13:41

Huston wrote:
However, such specifics are not clearly mentioned,


It does not have to be because the Quran is not a scientific book, rather A WARNING from one hell of a distressful day, however it includes signs that was said in a way that can never compromise the message in any generation., now in 13:41, it is clearly mentioned that Allah reduces the earth from its ends, ask Baal or any Arabic speaker you trust, the earth can have no ends BUT THE POLES.


Huston wrote:
not that it matters, the earth is not oblate because of squishing.


well, the one who caused it to spin, is the one that cause the centrifugal force to expand it from its equator, it is not like the earth bloody created itself then started spinning while putting itself in an orbit around the sun which suppose to be bloody created by itself under you Kuffr concept.

AhmedBahgat wrote:
I reckon both of you have been slam dunked :*)


Huston wrote:
No, that would just be the 19er. :p


Believe me mate, it is both of you who have been slam dunked, here it is visible, it might help you to see the reality:



Salam
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