Bring it on - How come some prophets didn't do Hajj?
- Wed 20 Feb, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: How come some prophets didn't do Hajj?
Salam all
A dumb woman on FFI raised a stupid argument to how come other prophets whom the Quran claim to be Muslims did not perform the Hajj while it is obligatory on all Muslims
To be honest, most (if not all) of what that woman ask is nothing but stupidity and ignorance, therefore most of what she raises has to be dismissed by myself in the nearest rubbish bin. Not to my surprise that the low kafirs follow the path of ignorance of each other, a confused chap named Haji Murad who is ignorantly doubting the clear and obvious success of Mohammed, continued the stupidity of such woman and started to raise lengthy crap regarding the same argument raised by such stupid woman.
His stupid argument is summarized as follow:
Haji Murad of FFI said:
Hajj and Prophets Before Muhammad
Introductory note: This is an addendum to the ongoing discussion on "Islamic prophets went to Hajj". I will try to explicate the noncompliance of Islamic prophets (apart from Abraham and Muhammad) who never made it to Ka'ba on pilgrimage is a serious breach of prophetic etiquettes.
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Ahmed says:
Hahahahaha, how dumb and ignorant such freaks of FFI, let me show you how 4 verses from the Quran should demolish his stupidity and ignorance while at the same time exposing it to the whole world.
Firstly, the issue of when the kaaba was built:
Well, the Quran never told us when it was built, however the Quran implies strongly that it was built before Ibrahim, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s look at following verse:
And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! Accept from us; surely You are the all- Hearing, the all-Knowing. [The Quan ; 2:127]
وَإِذْ يَرْفَعُ إِبْرَاهِيمُ الْقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الْبَيْتِ وَإِسْمَاعِيلُ رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلْ مِنَّا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ (127)
-> See above: وَإِذْ يَرْفَعُ إِبْرَاهِيمُ الْقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الْبَيْتِ وَإِسْمَاعِيلُ , which should mean: And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House, i.e. the foundations of the House were there already, what Ibrahim and his son Ismael did was only to raise the foundations, it implies that the foundations were buried somewhere due to whatever reason before him (Ibrahim), then Ibrahim and his son were informed to where the foundations were buried then all they did was to raise it above ground.
Let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s move on to the next verse, which should confirm the above:
And when We designated to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying: Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves [The Quan ; 22:26]
وَإِذْ بَوَّأْنَا لِإِبْرَاهِيمَ مَكَانَ الْبَيْتِ أَن لَّا تُشْرِكْ بِي شَيْئًا وَطَهِّرْ بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْقَائِمِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ (26)
-> See: وَإِذْ بَوَّأْنَا لِإِبْرَاهِيمَ مَكَانَ الْبَيْتِ , i.e. And when We designated to Ibrahim the place of the House, i.e. the place of the House was already there where its foundations is located, Ibrahim was only designated to such place, i.e. Ibrahim never built such place from scratch, in the same verse we read that Ibrahim was ordered to: Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves
From the above 2 verses, Ibrahim was assigned a few tasks, let me point them out so far:
1) Raise the foundations of the House (2:127)
2) Purify the House for those who make the circuit and stand to pray and bow and prostrate themselves (22:26)
Then in the next verse 22:27 we read that Ibrahim was ordered to do a third task:
And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage: they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path, [The Quan ; 22:27]
وَأَذِّن فِي النَّاسِ بِالْحَجِّ يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالًا وَعَلَى كُلِّ ضَامِرٍ يَأْتِينَ مِن كُلِّ فَجٍّ عَمِيقٍ (27)
-> See: وَأَذِّن فِي النَّاسِ بِالْحَجِّ , Wa Aazan Fi Al Nas Be Al Hajj, i.e. And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage, this is very important bit, because the word used is Aazan, i.e. inform, i.e. like the word Azaan, The prayer call, i.e. Ibrahim only informed the people that this place which he unravelled then raised above ground then purified is the place for them to do Hajj, i.e. the verse is never an indication that Hajj was obligatory during that time, it was only to inform the people that the House of Allah is ready for them, this confirms brother Berber argument that it was never obligatory during Ibrahim time.
Now the following verse where the Hajj was ordained by Allah as an obligatory worshipping practice upon all people should demolish the rest of the kafir ignorance, this is because up to the time of revealing this verse, the Hajj was never obligatory upon all the people as we learnt above, remember, Ibrahim only announced to the people that the place of the house is a place for them to come and worship Allah. Now, even when it was made obligatory by Allah Himself as we will read soon, we should recognise with ease that it was never an obligatory like the Salat (the prayer) to be a Muslim, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s have a look:
In it are clear signs, the prayer-place of Ibrahim, and whoever entered it shall be secure, and to Allah pilgrimage of the House is incumbent upon the people, those who are able to find a way of doing it; and whoever disbelieved, then indeed Allah is independent of the creatures. [The Quan ; 3:97]
فِيهِ آيَاتٌ بَيِّنَاتٌ مَّقَامُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَمَن دَخَلَهُ كَانَ آمِنًا وَلِلّهِ عَلَى النَّاسِ حِجُّ الْبَيْتِ مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ إِلَيْهِ سَبِيلاً وَمَن كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ الله غَنِيٌّ عَنِ الْعَالَمِينَ (97)
-> See how the order regarding the Hajj upon all people was given by Allah Himself: وَلِلّهِ عَلَى النَّاسِ حِجُّ الْبَيْتِ , Wa Lillah Ala Al Nas Hajj Al Bayt, i.e. and to Allah, pilgrimage of the House is incumbent upon the people, see how the order is now given directly by Allah and not Ibrahim, this should mean from the time of such verse revelation, Hajj became compulsory, HOWEVER and this is a very BIG HOWEVER, the Hajj compulsion was never as the prayer compulsion, see how Allah gave an exemption to many people from doing the Hajj: مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ إِلَيْهِ سَبِيلاً , Mann Isttataa Ilaihi Sabeela, i.e. those who are able to find a way of doing it, SEE, let me put it to you together just in case you are dumb enough not to see it and read it:
This is how the order of the Hajj is given by Allah as we read in 3:97,
Wa Lillah Ala Al Nas Hajj Al Bayt, Mann Isttataa Ilaihi Sabeela
And this is what it means in English:
and to Allah pilgrimage of the House is incumbentupon the people, those who are able to find a way of doing it.
How clear is that, let me assume for argument sake that when Ibrahim was ordered in 22:27 to And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage is the order of compulsion upon all people including the prophets and messengers, again their stpid argument holds no water because maybe MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING PROPHETS AND MESSNEGERS COULD NOT FIND A WAY OF DOING IT, yet they are Muslims according to 3:97
What a slam dunk that is boys and girls, I love it how I use the Quran alone to expose you almost every day, I love the Quran
Now, refute the above freaks, and till then keep looking at the following animation:
Salam
- Sat 08 Mar, 2008 9:48 am Post subject:
Peace brother,
Marsha'Allah, that was excellent.
- Sat 08 Mar, 2008 10:46 am Post subject:
