QuranandScience wrote:
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I have one Question for you.
You must be knowing the story of Abrahim (PBUH) breaking the Idols.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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21:62 They said, "Art thou the one that did this with our gods, O Abraham?"
21:63 He said: "Nay, this was done by - this is their biggest one! ask them, if they can speak intelligently!"
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Now according to the Story , Abrahim(PBUH) destroyed the Idols , and he says The Biggest Idol destroyed it.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Now my Question is
Did Abrahim (PBUH) lied ? or he was telling truth?
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QuranandScience wrote:
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If you say he lied, think once again , Can he Lie.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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If he says Truth , just mention that he was telling Truth.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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My answer to that Question would be , He said the truth. Because he cannot lie as he is the Messenger of Allah.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Please give your Answer to it.
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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therefore, even if I consider Ibrahim that he must have lied, then Allah forgave him, very simple mate to comprehend
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QuranandScience wrote:
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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therefore, even if I consider Ibrahim that he must have lied, then Allah forgave him, very simple mate to comprehend
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Thanks Ahmed ,
That was a Great Answer.
Now tell me , Is it fair enough to Follow Abrahim (PBUH) and Mohammed(PBUH) in this situation
Can we also break Physical Idols of other religion ? as it becomes Sunnah ?
Waiting for your intelligent response.?
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I say if it happens on Muslim land,
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Well, all other religions (if genuine) should be from the same one and only God, therefore the disrespect is by those idol worshippers who are worshipping crap in a suppose to be a nation that is submitting to the one and only God
Well, if they don't like the rules in the Muslim land then they can piss off and worship their idols somewnere else on earth
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Well, all other religions (if genuine) should be from the same one and only God, therefore the disrespect is by those idol worshippers who are worshipping crap in a suppose to be a nation that is submitting to the one and only God
Well, if they don't like the rules in the Muslim land then they can piss off and worship their idols somewnere else on earth
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Why are you stressing more on Muslim Land , Non Muslim Land. Did Allah said to divides Land between the Peoples.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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All the people in the Earth has to be one Nation. and among them if there are people of other religion , our work is to send the message , not to disrespect by breaking there physical Idols.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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If other religion hurts us , it is not necessary that we should also hurt them.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Whether they be Idol Worshipers or Atheist , we need to give respect to every one. That is Muslim.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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I understand you agree few concepts with Shia , sunni , Kafir ,....etc.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Then tell me whos Concepts are these , which you are talking about.
1. If other religion Hurts you , you also Hurt them.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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2. No need of respecting other religions.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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3. Divide the earth into Muslim Nations and Non Muslim Nations.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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4. In Muslim Nations , breaking the physical Idols of other Religions is not wrong.
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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why don't you come clean and tell us what the story of Ibrahim means, did he hysically break the idols or you have another explanation to it?
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QuranandScience wrote:
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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why don't you come clean and tell us what the story of Ibrahim means, did he hysically break the idols or you have another explanation to it?
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Good, Back to point.
Now understand my point.
Breaking the Idols , is a Disrespect to Other religion whether you talk about ISLAM or common scence, and I dont agree with your Eye for an Eye theory.
If you could understand that Breaking Physical Idols is wrong, then I would have explained my theory.
But your faith says that is Good, then there is no difference between your thoughts and Talibans Thoughts.
If you agree that , Breaking Physical Idols of other religion is wrong , then i would present my theory. and I will proof that Abrahim and Mohammed (PBUH) never showed such disrespect to other religion.
Give respect and Take Respect.
The best way for taking respect from other religion is to give respect. I dont know why you dont understand these small things.
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Now to erect idols in public on a Muslim land, must be a huge desrespect to the land owners as well to their God and consequently they must be destroyed
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Now to erect idols in public on a Muslim land, must be a huge desrespect to the land owners as well to their God and consequently they must be destroyed
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Give Respect and Take Respect.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Masjid Al Haram , Never had Physical Idols in it.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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And the Idols Broken by Abrahim and Mohammed (PBUH) were not physical , But the Mental Thoughts of New Gods.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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IDOL: Meanings
5. A figment of the mind.
6. A false conception or notion
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/IDOL
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QuranandScience wrote:
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You can understand this , if your mind respects other religion.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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But you also have a False Conception(IDOLS) in your mind that other religions should be destroyed in Muslim Lands.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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That means you are also an IDOL worshiper , where IDOL is not Physical Idol.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Give Respect and Take Respect
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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The history tells us that it had many idols in it, as well the history tells us the kafirs used to do the tawaf naked, sort of Mardi Gras in the vicinity of Al Masjid Al Haram
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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prove that Ibrahim didn't physically break the statues of the idols worshippers, for Mohamed, there is nothing in the Quran that he broke any idols therefore I'm not going to get into conjectures
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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The history tells us that it had many idols in it, as well the history tells us the kafirs used to do the tawaf naked, sort of Mardi Gras in the vicinity of Al Masjid Al Haram
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QuranandScience wrote:
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So you believe in History more than the Quran,
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QuranandScience wrote:
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because common sense say that we should respect other religions.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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only people like you and Taliban says not to respect other religion.
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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prove that Ibrahim didn't physically break the statues of the idols worshippers, for Mohamed, there is nothing in the Quran that he broke any idols therefore I'm not going to get into conjectures
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QuranandScience wrote:
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[b]See the word IDOLS , Can be physical(1,2,3,4)or Non-Physical(5,6) according to its meanings . Its upto you if you want to show Islam disrespect other religions or Islam gives respect to other religions. depending on your choice you take the meaning.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Why Abrahim will break physical Idols,
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QuranandScience wrote:
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he need to remove other Gods from the Minds of people, that is the False Conception(Idols) which will not allow to make physical one.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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He broke all the False conception from the people minds but not the big One that is Allah.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Then when people asked Him Who has broken there Gods. Then Abrahim Answered and he told the truth that It was broken by the Big one (That is Allah). Only Allah can help Abrahim to remove false conception from peoples mind.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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If according to you , ISLAM does not say to respect other religions , then how can you call ISLAM a Peace full religion.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Even history says when Mohammed (PBUH) came first time to mecca, he broke all the idols in Kaba. but who cares about the history.
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QuranandScience wrote:
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Give Respect and Take respect , does not apply only to Kafirs, it applies to You also.
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Kafir-Harbi wrote:
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Hello QnS,
You did a great job of exposing the Moslem in Ahmed Bahgat.
Just one question to you, Why are you living in the Kafir land ? ...... just imagine yourself in islamic lands and the pleasure and glee you will derive when you smash the idols of other religions, I thought you were different from other moslems, oh boy was I wrong or what, you are just one more moslem.......
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what an idiot you are, kafir
I'm delighted that I have been exposed to be a Muslim, hahahahahaha
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