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- Thu 23 Apr, 2009 3:21 pm
Post subject: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing and I noticed you were talking to a few goons on Tayammum.

Here is something very interesting from the First Prophet of Ex-Muslim Kafirs, Ibn Warraq, another paralysed Kafir mind. In his book "Why I Am Not a Muslim", he wrote about the Tayammum carried out by the Jews:

Quote:
The Thalmud tells that he who "cleanses himself with sand has then done enough"


Ask the FFI goons to have a talk with ygalg and other Jews. Jesus freaks have nothing on the Laws except a book which they do not really subscribe to. Next the goons at FFI will ask how to rub sand all over their face and the body? lol!

I don't think sensible Western readers appreciate the gibberish and nonsense from these closet-apostates. It is the so-called idiotic ex-Muslim fakes who indulge in the garbage written.

What this goon Ibn Warraq does not know is that Jesus did not bring anything new, had nothing new to offer and he gave no Scripture. The Laws were the same, only they had to be enforced again, as Christianity had pissed over the Laws.
Roflmao

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2309627/Why-I-Am-Not-a-Muslim-by-Ibn-Warraq

Salaams, mate

BMZ
- Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
BMZ wrote:
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing and I noticed you were talking to a few goons on Tayammum.

Here is something very interesting from the First Prophet of Ex-Muslim Kafirs, Ibn Warraq, another paralysed Kafir mind. In his book "Why I Am Not a Muslim", he wrote about the Tayammum carried out by the Jews:

Quote:
The Thalmud tells that he who "cleanses himself with sand has then done enough"


Ask the FFI goons to have a talk with ygalg and other Jews. Jesus freaks have nothing on the Laws except a book which they do not really subscribe to. Next the goons at FFI will ask how to rub sand all over their face and the body? lol!

I don't think sensible Western readers appreciate the gibberish and nonsense from these closet-apostates. It is the so-called idiotic ex-Muslim fakes who indulge in the garbage written.

What this goon Ibn Warraq does not know is that Jesus did not bring anything new, had nothing new to offer and he gave no Scripture. The Laws were the same, only they had to be enforced again, as Christianity had pissed over the Laws.
Roflmao

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2309627/Why-I-Am-Not-a-Muslim-by-Ibn-Warraq

Salaams, mate

BMZ


Thanks mate for this valuable information, I will make a copy of it on FFI and see if any of the goons has a reply to it

Cheers
- Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing and I noticed you were talking to a few goons on Tayammum.

Here is something very interesting from the First Prophet of Ex-Muslim Kafirs, Ibn Warraq, another paralysed Kafir mind. In his book "Why I Am Not a Muslim", he wrote about the Tayammum carried out by the Jews:

Quote:
The Thalmud tells that he who "cleanses himself with sand has then done enough"


Ask the FFI goons to have a talk with ygalg and other Jews. Jesus freaks have nothing on the Laws except a book which they do not really subscribe to. Next the goons at FFI will ask how to rub sand all over their face and the body? lol!

I don't think sensible Western readers appreciate the gibberish and nonsense from these closet-apostates. It is the so-called idiotic ex-Muslim fakes who indulge in the garbage written.

What this goon Ibn Warraq does not know is that Jesus did not bring anything new, had nothing new to offer and he gave no Scripture. The Laws were the same, only they had to be enforced again, as Christianity had pissed over the Laws.
Roflmao

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2309627/Why-I-Am-Not-a-Muslim-by-Ibn-Warraq

Salaams, mate

BMZ


Thanks mate for this valuable information, I will make a copy of it on FFI and see if any of the goons has a reply to it

Cheers


Once you write, then check out how the notorious paralysed minds put another spin. lol!

Are the paralysed Kafir minds back home? Laughing

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 24 Apr, 2009 12:08 am
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
BMZ wrote:
Once you write, then check out how the notorious paralysed minds put another spin. lol!

Are the paralysed Kafir minds back home? Laughing

Salaams
BMZ


Done

cheers
- Fri 24 Apr, 2009 12:55 am
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Once you write, then check out how the notorious paralysed minds put another spin. lol!

Are the paralysed Kafir minds back home? Laughing

Salaams
BMZ


Done

cheers


Will take a look at the spinning by the goons.

Salaams & Good night
BMZ
- Fri 24 Apr, 2009 1:11 am
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, Your posts on FFI
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Once you write, then check out how the notorious paralysed minds put another spin. lol!

Are the paralysed Kafir minds back home? Laughing

Salaams
BMZ


Done

cheers


Will take a look at the spinning by the goons.

Salaams & Good night
BMZ


Oh! You posted the whole thing! lol

Anyway, I burst into laughter after I read this from charleslemartel:

Quote:
You can see for yourself why skynightblaze and others consider him nothing more than a troll. His post contains nothing but tu quoque. How does what he says defend the stupidity? It only seeks to prove that others were stupid too; but so what?


Ahmed, this is why I brought up the topic, "The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind" at COEM but the closed minds could not understand. Laughing

You see how off-topic did charleslemartel go? Instead of trying to comprehend, Charles talks about another goon.

I don't think my dear lizard yeezewee had anything to offer as it seems he understood nothing. Is he a Chinese mind?

I really don't know how can you stand these FFI goons. You are great, mate.

BMZ
- Fri 24 Apr, 2009 2:57 am
Post subject:
And the hilarious response from FFI's junior school troll skynightblaze.


Re: Exposing a hadith worshipper (Neveen Salah Labib) Facebook

Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Debunker wrote:Tayammum is just a "symbolic" ritual to take place of actual Wudu when water is hard to come by. Tayammum is the simple act of wiping "dry sand" on the face and two hands only....As I said it's only a symbolic ritual.



skynightTroll: "What do you mean by symbolic ritual? Do you mean you are not supposed to actually use soil? I dont think so . The verse is very clear and it says you are supposed to use soil . I think using soil will make me more filthy than I was before using soil.
Quran gives you a substitute for water but thats a bad substitute."

Debunker wrote:And women are not filthy. Sexual intercourse (with women) requires ritualisitic bathing for both the man AND the woman. (This is "stolen" from the Bible by the way). The phrase "if you touch women" means if you have sexual intercourse. Even in today's language touching a woman refers to having sexual intercourse... didn't you know that already?



skynightblazeTroll: "Agreed but quran doesnt say so that women are supposed to clean themself too.ITs from the hadiths that we get this idea.The verse 5:6 or 4:43 is an instruction to men and not women.IS there any verse besides this that conveys the idea that women are supposed clean themselves after sex? Why only men are asked to clean creates a doubt."



Debunker wrote:And somewhere in this forum someone claims that women are treated like dirt in the Quran when they are menstruating. The fact is when a woman is menstruating NOTHING changes except for two things: 1- No sexual intercourse 2- The woman doesn't have to pray nor fast while she's menstruating. That's it. This is also "stolen" from the Bible with A LOT of modifications, because in the Bible, a woman is treated like a highly contagious leper as long as she's menstruating, and NOT only that, her menstruating is considered a SIN she has to atone for by burning a bird!
Leviticus 15:19-30
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=31



skynightblazeTroll: "Well I aint a christian so there is no point in showing me what bible says. Anyway this is the reason why I find islam hollow. Practically what matters during prayer is your devotion and sincerity.Its totally mental and hence physical characteristics like menstruation shoudnt be a factor to decide whether to pray or not. I find it cheap that GOD is so focused on physical characteristics than on the spiritual. Women is isolated because she is considered as unclean even when there is no fault of her. Thats insulting to a woman.

I find this weird that GOD considers menstruating women as unclean when he himself is the cause of that. GOD likes cleanliness but still causes women to menustruate which is unclean according to him.Why create unclean things when you hate them so much?

I have another question for you. When you know that quran stole it from bible why do you still want to be a muslim?"

Everyone can see how FFI Trolls have been brought up among the group of the the paralysed Kafir minds, who cannot use their brains to think.

I think their job is only to troll and disrupt discussions. This particular troll skynightblaze will think that people will have buckets of sand and will shower under sand. Rofl. This Troll skynightblaze's insanity knows no bounds.

Mate, these goons are hilarious.

Salaams, mate
BMZ

- Sat 25 Apr, 2009 2:55 pm
Post subject: Silly FF Goons
Hello, Ahmed

I read the topic about 16:126 in the Qur'aan and Hadith topic.

The birdbrains at FFI do not understand at all the topic discussed in a particular section of Qur'aan.

The assholes quote a single verse to discuss issues and even an FFI poster with a single brain cell should understand that the verse 16:126 should be read along with 16:125. Only then the paralysed Kafir minds would be able to understand the message.

16:125

ادع الى سبيل ربك بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة وجادلهم بالتي هي احسن ان ربك هو اعلم بمن ضل
عن سبيله وهو اعلم بالمهتدين

16:126
وان عاقبتم فعاقبوا بمثل ماعوقبتم به ولئن صبرتم لهو خير للصابرين

The topic in above is clearly taking about inviting the paralysed Kafir minds and sickos, including other assholes, to argue and discuss in the best possible way.

This is exactly what we did at the FFI Cesspool. Now when the FFI Kafir asshole is unable to argue, he/she starts pouring filth and shitting from the wrong hole.

The verse encourages Muslims to be patient and polite in exchanges, discussions and debates. However, if the sick Kafir birdbrain keeps on attacking, then the Muslims have ther right to attack the assholes in any language they deem fit.

For example, I try to be nice, polite and courteous in my exchanges with most of FFI scumbags but you screw and grill the buggers. In this case, you are doing perfectly okay.

You may post this on FFI, if you like, in order to let all the FFI punks and goons to learn something and please tell the Sub-Continental arsehole skynightablaze and the Pissed-out-cohot to at least learn how to read an English translation of Qur'aan in order.

Thus according to 16:125-126, we are doing a great job. Also, tell the FFI goons to read Asad's translation of the verses:

Quote:
16:125 CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner-49 for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided. 16:126 Hence, if you have to respond to an attack (in argument], respond only to the extent of the attack levelled against you;'-" but to bear yourselves with patience is indeed far better for (you, since God is with] those who are patient in adversity.


Hope the birdbrains and the nosehair skynightblaze will understand it better.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Mon 27 Apr, 2009 1:49 am
Post subject: A Female Goon AT FFI
Hello, Ahmed

There is a female goon at FFI and she goes by the nick sunshine and her hilarious signature reads:

Quote:
"Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute." (Repentance, IX: 29)


Could you please check with sunshine where did she get that idiotic translation from? FFI's Wikiislam? Must be from some FFI lead goon. lol

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Mon 27 Apr, 2009 9:52 pm
Post subject:
Salam all

All Muslims on this web site should have realized by now that this piece of trailer trash named debunker, is nothing but a cheat who works for the kafirs on FFI, possibly he is one of them but multilinking

This must prove the desperation of the kafirs on FFI, resorting to such cheap tactics by bringing a whore from them to pretend to be a Muslim,

Let?????????????????????¢??s see what that whore said to Khalil:

The filthy cheat debonked aka debunker wrote:
I don't know why you're still arguing this with them?! Sex with slaves IMPLIES forced sex if they refused, since by definition, a slave has no rights. Period!


See how the filthy cheat debunker is referring to the Muslims as ?????????????????????¢??THEM?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. This clearly means that he is not one of us (Muslims), how dumb he was exposing his cheating arse that easy, his stupidity did not stop there see what he said next:

The filthy tard of a cheat debunker said:

Sex with slaves IMPLIES forced sex if they refused, since by definition, a slave has no rights. Period!

Well, the Quran exposes such freak big times, because the Quran clearly told us that to marry from those Ma Malakat Aymanikum we must take the permission of their parents, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women; and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours if they protected themselves, and if they commit an indecency, then on them is half the suffering which should be upon the protected women. This is for him who fears the sin from among you; and if you are patient is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[The Quran ; 4:25]

ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات ولا متخذات اخدان فاذا احصن فان اتين بفاحشة فعليهن نصف ما علي المحصنات من العذاب ذلك لمن خشي العنت منكم وان تصبروا خير لكم والله غفور رحيم

-> See how the verse above is clearly telling the Muslims who cannot afford marrying from the well supported women: ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات , i.e. And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women , see what is said next confirms that the word Aymanikum means YOUR OATHS: والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض , i.e. and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; , i.e. an oath was taken to care for some of those poor humans that even their families cannot support them, see what was the condition to marry from them as stated next: فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات , i.e. so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, , HOW CLEAR, so if according to such fake and cheat of a deceiver debunker, that they have no right, then how come the men can only marry them after taking the permission of their parents? See how the Quran also commands those Ma Malakat Aymanikum too seek marriage and not fornication. Which means in no way the Quran allow their masters to force them into fornication by getting raped

That should expose the lying, filthy, tard, fake and cheat debunker
- Mon 27 Apr, 2009 10:26 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam all

All Muslims on this web site should have realized by now that this piece of trailer trash named debunker, is nothing but a cheat who works for the kafirs on FFI, possibly he is one of them but multilinking

This must prove the desperation of the kafirs on FFI, resorting to such cheap tactics by bringing a whore from them to pretend to be a Muslim,

Let?????????????????????¢??s see what that whore said to Khalil:

The filthy cheat debonked aka debunker wrote:
I don't know why you're still arguing this with them?! Sex with slaves IMPLIES forced sex if they refused, since by definition, a slave has no rights. Period!


See how the filthy cheat debunker is referring to the Muslims as ?????????????????????¢??THEM?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. This clearly means that he is not one of us (Muslims), how dumb he was exposing his cheating arse that easy, his stupidity did not stop there see what he said next:

The filthy tard of a cheat debunker said:

Sex with slaves IMPLIES forced sex if they refused, since by definition, a slave has no rights. Period!

Well, the Quran exposes such freak big times, because the Quran clearly told us that to marry from those Ma Malakat Aymanikum we must take the permission of their parents, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women; and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours if they protected themselves, and if they commit an indecency, then on them is half the suffering which should be upon the protected women. This is for him who fears the sin from among you; and if you are patient is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[The Quran ; 4:25]

ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات ولا متخذات اخدان فاذا احصن فان اتين بفاحشة فعليهن نصف ما علي المحصنات من العذاب ذلك لمن خشي العنت منكم وان تصبروا خير لكم والله غفور رحيم

-> See how the verse above is clearly telling the Muslims who cannot afford marrying from the well supported women: ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات , i.e. And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women , see what is said next confirms that the word Aymanikum means YOUR OATHS: والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض , i.e. and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; , i.e. an oath was taken to care for some of those poor humans that even their families cannot support them, see what was the condition to marry from them as stated next: فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات , i.e. so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, , HOW CLEAR, so if according to such fake and cheat of a deceiver debunker, that they have no right, then how come the men can only marry them after taking the permission of their parents? See how the Quran also commands those Ma Malakat Aymanikum too seek marriage and not fornication. Which means in no way the Quran allow their masters to force them into fornication by getting raped

That should expose the lying, filthy, tard, fake and cheat debunker


You are damn right, Ahmed. I suspected this poster debunker from day one he appeared.

The paralysed Kafir minds at FFI have lots of nicks and it is quite common to see multi-nicking carried out by FFI.

Please do not entertain suspect "Muslims" on FFI as most of them are as fake as the ex-Muslims there. lol!

Fudgy is genuine but this 'Muslim' goon is not.

I am glad you brought this up, mate.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 27 Apr, 2009 11:12 pm
Post subject:
Salam all

It seems that the kafirs of FFI and their fellow cheat debonked, are too stupid to understand that my comment regarding 4:25 is irrefutable, let me do it with them in slow motion, perhaps their pinhead get it:

Here 1s 4:25 again:

And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women; and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours if they protected themselves, and if they commit an indecency, then on them is half the suffering which should be upon the protected women. This is for him who fears the sin from among you; and if you are patient is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[The Quran ; 4:25]

ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات ولا متخذات اخدان فاذا احصن فان اتين بفاحشة فعليهن نصف ما علي المحصنات من العذاب ذلك لمن خشي العنت منكم وان تصبروا خير لكم والله غفور رحيم


The kafirs stupid argument is simply this: The words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean: what your right hands possess, i.e. slaves

My argument is simply this: The words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean: what your oaths possess, i.e. any poor human that is supported by another capable human who was bound by oath before Allah to support such poor human

4:25 CLEARLY PROVES MY ARGUMENT

See, after Allah told us to marry of Ma Malakat Aymanikum: فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم, i.e. then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess

He told us that: والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض, i.e. and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others

Now if you take the words Ma Malakat Aymanikum to mean what your right hands posses, then the second bit above can never make sense, because in that case it should mean: and Allah knows best your right hands between some of you and others

Therefore if the words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean what your right hands possess, then the second part above should be:

And Allah knows best what your right hands possess between some of you and others

Which should be in Arabic as follow:

والله اعلم بما ملكت ايمانكم بعضكم من بعض

The underlined words NEVER APPEARED IN THE ARABIC WORDS

Therefore: Ma Malakat Aymanikum means: What your oaths posses, and in this case

The words والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض, should make 100% sense because it should emenas and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others

And that should slam dunk all the FFI kafirs and their fellow whore debunker


- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 12:22 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam all

It seems that the kafirs of FFI and their fellow cheat debonked, are too stupid to understand that my comment regarding 4:25 is irrefutable, let me do it with them in slow motion, perhaps their pinhead get it:

Here 1s 4:25 again:

And whoever among you who can afford to marry the protected and believing women, then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess from among your believing young women; and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others; so marry them with the permission of their families, and give them their dowries in kindness if they are seeking protection, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours if they protected themselves, and if they commit an indecency, then on them is half the suffering which should be upon the protected women. This is for him who fears the sin from among you; and if you are patient is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[The Quran ; 4:25]

ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم من فتياتكم المؤمنات والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض فانكحوهن باذن اهلهن واتوهن اجورهن بالمعروف محصنات غير مسافحات ولا متخذات اخدان فاذا احصن فان اتين بفاحشة فعليهن نصف ما علي المحصنات من العذاب ذلك لمن خشي العنت منكم وان تصبروا خير لكم والله غفور رحيم


The kafirs stupid argument is simply this: The words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean: what your right hands possess, i.e. slaves

My argument is simply this: The words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean: what your oaths possess, i.e. any poor human that is supported by another capable human who was bound by oath before Allah to support such poor human

[size=150]4:25 CLEARLY PROVES MY ARGUMENT[/size]

See, after Allah told us to marry of Ma Malakat Aymanikum: فمن ما ملكت ايمانكم, i.e. then (marry) of those whom your oaths possess

He told us that: والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض, i.e. and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others

Now if you take the words Ma Malakat Aymanikum to mean what your right hands posses, then the second bit above can never make sense, because in that case it should mean: and Allah knows best your right hands between some of you and others

Therefore if the words Ma Malakat Aymanikum mean what your right hands possess, then the second part above should be:

And Allah knows best what your right hands possess between some of you and others

Which should be in Arabic as follow:

والله اعلم بما ملكت ايمانكم بعضكم من بعض

The underlined words NEVER APPEARED IN THE ARABIC WORDS

Therefore: Ma Malakat Aymanikum means: What your oaths posses, and in this case

The words والله اعلم بايمانكم بعضكم من بعض, should make 100% sense because it should mean and Allah knows best your oaths between some of you and others

And that should slam dunk all the FFI kafirs and their fellow whore debunker



That is exactly what the birdbrain Kafirs do not understand. Ma malakat aymanakum does not mean slave.

It is good that you can post on FFI. Good job, Ahmed. Keep on teaching the FFI goons.

I had to go back back into the dumb COEM today to take Rashna to task for the rubbish she wrote. Just for info of the readers here. I am in no mood to exchange with the goons at COEM.

It has become a fashion for Indian Hindus and Zorats to sit on ex-Muslims' site and write junk and rubbish, when their own religions are complete rubbish.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5132.0

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 10:23 am
Post subject:
Hey bro BMZ

see what the fool Khalil said to inmate Cassie, and see how I cornered his kafir arse:

KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Of course, but I am yet to understand how and what one's oath possesses. Laughing



That is how confused and manipulated you are

How about you explain to us how does a right hand possess a human?

Also how about you explain to us, why the right hand?, why not the left hand, and why not both hands?

That should corner you then send you back to the drawing board of your confusion table

- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 12:19 pm
Post subject:
Hey goons

Let me totally demolish the confused and manipulated kafirs and their fellow traitor debonked

see what I wrote in my last comment to Khalil, for which I am certain he will dodge as he dodged so many tough arguments in the past

I asked him:

1) Why the right hand?
2) Why not the left hand?
3) Why not both hands?

Now if we think of the slaves as almost equivalent to the POWs, then the POWs should also be described as being possessed by the right hands. Let's have a look at the following verse which is talking about the POWs, and let's see if they are controlled by the right hand, or by the left hand or by both hands, obviously by both hands is the most logical:

O Prophet! Say to those who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war: If Allah knows good in your hearts, He will give you better than that which has been taken from you and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

يأيها النبي قل لمن في ايديكم من الاسري ان يعلم الله في قلوبكم خيرا يؤتكم خيرا مما اخذ منكم ويغفر لكم والله غفور رحيم

[The Quran ; 8:70]

-> See you ignorant and confused FFI goons, Allah is telling us about the POWs: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

I am sure the confused goons can see the slam coming

So if Ma Malakat Aymanikum means, what your right hands possess, how come the POWs were described as being controlled by both hands, let's see it again: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

If the right hand is the expression to express owning, controlling, enslaving others, then shouldn't the verse above be saying:

لمن في ايمانكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYMANIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your right hands from among the prisoners of war

Therefore, Ma Malakat Aymanikum MUST mean, What your oaths possess, which means that a capable human took an oath before Allah that he/she will care for and support any weak human.

What a mother of all slams


- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 12:22 pm
Post subject:
KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Of course, but I am yet to understand how and what one's oath possesses. Laughing


AhmedBahgat wrote:
Before you laugh at yourself and make a total fool of yourserlf, try to answer my last comment, and pay much attention to the Arabic words in red, mister Arabic speaker


Agha Shaytani wrote:
HERE IS THE TAFSIR OF 4:25 BY IBN ABBAS:
"(And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess) who are in the hands of the believers. (Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith) He knows best that your hearts are firm in faith. (Ye (proceed) one from another) You are all the children of Adam; it is also said that this means: some of you follow the religion of others; and it is also said that this means: you are strengthened by one another; (so wed them) marry the maids (by permission of their folk) their owners, (and give unto them) the maids (their portions) their dowry (in kindness) on top of the price given to the prostitute for providing sex, (they being honest) He says: marry those maids who are chaste, (not debauched) not those who commit adultery in the open (nor of loose conduct) nor those who have lovers who commit adultery with them in secret. (And if when they are honourably married) if when they marry maids (they commit lewdness) fornication (they) the maids (shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed)) lashing (for free women (in that case). This is) marrying maids is lawful (for him among you who feareth to commit sin) adultery and debauchery. (But to have patience) and refrain from marrying maids (would be better for you) in that your children would be free. (Allah is Forgiving) of the adultery you might commit, (Merciful) when He gave you a legal dispensation to marry captives in cases of necessity."


Agha Shaytani wrote:
This tafsir says you can marry slaves with the permission of their owners.


Ahl does not mean Owner you stupid dumb bum, Ahl means FAMILY

You and them are :


- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 1:17 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey bro BMZ

see what the fool Khalil said to inmate Cassie, and see how I cornered his kafir arse:

KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Of course, but I am yet to understand how and what one's oath possesses. Laughing



That is how confused and manipulated you are

How about you explain to us how does a right hand possess a human?

Also how about you explain to us, why the right hand?, why not the left hand, and why not both hands?

That should corner you then send you back to the drawing board of your confusion table


Yes, bro! I am reading the junk and stuff written by Khalil and other goons. Khalil is also hilarious.

I can never understand what is the role of the two FFI clown Cassie and yeezevee?

Did you notice the charlatan goon skynightblaze, who was showing so much respect to you, is now the most disrespectul to you in his FFI cave? I alwasy lmao when I read his gibberish.

First the FFI goons do not understand Arabic, then they do not even understand English.

"Promises or covenants made" would make these paralysed Kafir minds understand it better. The oaths taken or promised are beyond the Kafir's paralysed mind. Oaths and promises mean nothing to these FFI freaks.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 1:22 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Of course, but I am yet to understand how and what one's oath possesses. Laughing


AhmedBahgat wrote:
Before you laugh at yourself and make a total fool of yourserlf, try to answer my last comment, and pay much attention to the Arabic words in red, mister Arabic speaker


Agha Shaytani wrote:
HERE IS THE TAFSIR OF 4:25 BY IBN ABBAS:
"(And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess) who are in the hands of the believers. (Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith) He knows best that your hearts are firm in faith. (Ye (proceed) one from another) You are all the children of Adam; it is also said that this means: some of you follow the religion of others; and it is also said that this means: you are strengthened by one another; (so wed them) marry the maids (by permission of their folk) their owners, (and give unto them) the maids (their portions) their dowry (in kindness) on top of the price given to the prostitute for providing sex, (they being honest) He says: marry those maids who are chaste, (not debauched) not those who commit adultery in the open (nor of loose conduct) nor those who have lovers who commit adultery with them in secret. (And if when they are honourably married) if when they marry maids (they commit lewdness) fornication (they) the maids (shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed)) lashing (for free women (in that case). This is) marrying maids is lawful (for him among you who feareth to commit sin) adultery and debauchery. (But to have patience) and refrain from marrying maids (would be better for you) in that your children would be free. (Allah is Forgiving) of the adultery you might commit, (Merciful) when He gave you a legal dispensation to marry captives in cases of necessity."


Agha Shaytani wrote:
This tafsir says you can marry slaves with the permission of their owners.


Ahl does not mean Owner you stupid dumb bum, Ahl means FAMILY

You and them are :



Who is this new goon Agha Shaitani? This should be titled Laugh of the Day. Did Khalil correct the joker on Ahl? Ahl and owner? Laughable, mate.

That is why I told you that Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Abul Kasem, Kamran Mirza and FFI lead writers are all a hilarious bunch.

This was a grand slam, mate. It is good to see FFI goons are demolishing and dismissing themselves. Rofl

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 1:28 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey goons

Let me totally demolish the confused and manipulated kafirs and their fellow traitor debonked

see what I wrote in my last comment to Khalil, for which I am certain he will dodge as he dodged so many tough arguments in the past

I asked him:

1) Why the right hand?
2) Why not the left hand?
3) Why not both hands?

Now if we think of the slaves as almost equivalent to the POWs, then the POWs should also be described as being possessed by the right hands. Let's have a look at the following verse which is talking about the POWs, and let's see if they are controlled by the right hand, or by the left hand or by both hands, obviously by both hands is the most logical:

O Prophet! Say to those who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war: If Allah knows good in your hearts, He will give you better than that which has been taken from you and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

يأيها النبي قل لمن في ايديكم من الاسري ان يعلم الله في قلوبكم خيرا يؤتكم خيرا مما اخذ منكم ويغفر لكم والله غفور رحيم

[The Quran ; 8:70]

-> See you ignorant and confused FFI goons, Allah is telling us about the POWs: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

I am sure the confused goons can see the slam coming

So if Ma Malakat Aymanikum means, what your right hands possess, how come the POWs were described as being controlled by both hands, let's see it again: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

If the right hand is the expression to express owning, controlling, enslaving others, then shouldn't the verse above be saying:

لمن في ايمانكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYMANIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your right hands from among the prisoners of war

Therefore, Ma Malakat Aymanikum MUST mean, What your oaths possess, which means that a capable human took an oath before Allah that he/she will care for and support any weak human.

What a mother of all slams



Ahmed,

I really need a big Roflmao emoticon here for Ali Sina's FFI goons. This is really getting hilarious. Send some goons to my site. lol!

Can you invite Ali Sina, Abul Kasem and Khalil to debate and discuss Qur'aan in Sydney, in front of Australian audience, next year? We will arrange debate through SMH. They can come in Burqa. Once we have lifted their veil, they can put the veil down and debate Qur'aan with the two of us.

Abul Kasem lives in Sydney. He can take a cab to the hall.
Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 1:43 pm
Post subject: Abul Kasem
Ahmed,

Can you post this at FFI for comments by Abul Kasem? Hope he writes at FFI.

I read his dumb article at:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=100853105&blogId=414427599

and noticed the hilarious translation cooked up by him (Abul Kasem):

Quote:
The Qur'an

Menstruation is a disease; can't have sex during a woman's period; after the period is over have sex in any manner, at any time and at any place; God loves those who are pure and clean...2:222


Notice, how the sick buggers distort and twist to misinform the world?

Absolutely sickos.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 5:08 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
I really need a big Roflmao emoticon here for Ali Sina's FFI goons. This is really getting hilarious. Send some goons to my site. lol!
Salaams, mate
BMZ


No worries mate, here is one big Roflmao for you:



I will let the goons know your web site url, they are too coward to face you on a nuteral ground, they only want to face you on a bias web site ran by the confused whore BerberElla and her pimp OsmanThug

Salam mate
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 7:57 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I really need a big Roflmao emoticon here for Ali Sina's FFI goons. This is really getting hilarious. Send some goons to my site. lol!
Salaams, mate
BMZ


No worries mate, here is one big Roflmao for you:

I will let the goons know your web site url, they are too coward to face you on a nuteral ground, they only want to face you on a bias web site ran by the confused whore BerberElla and her pimp OsmanThug

Salam mate


Yes, FFI goons are a scared lot. They can only write at FFI and COEM caves.

Actually, I have guaranteed everyone one no deletion, no moderation and no banning at all. I don't know why they are so petrified to come there. I can provide them protection. Roflmao!

I am glad that at least you, Mastablaster and Fudgy are there to screw and grill the liars, who do nothing but provide misreports, distortion and misinformation.

Actually, osmanthus and other biased non-Muslims should not be moderators at all.

Anyway, the point is why does a site full of hooligans and goons, need a moderator?

In fact FFI and COEM should not have any moderators at all and let a few Muslims screw the mob of the miserable B's. I am sure you know what I mean by Bs.

That was a hell of an emoticon. lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 8:10 pm
Post subject:
Here it is mate, http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2122

cheers
- Tue 28 Apr, 2009 9:18 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Here it is mate, http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2122

cheers


Thanks, mate and now see how they squirm. Looks like squirming has started.

You and I know that we must give a chance to the pathological liars at FFI to debate on a site and mine is the best playing field. It is not an Islamic site anyway.

You should also let Mastablaster and Fudgy know about my site which is for all.

You forgot to invite them to Sydney. lol! I am dead serious about that.

Thanks, mate
BMZ
- Wed 29 Apr, 2009 2:22 pm
Post subject: A Psycho-analysis and Report On FFI's Pathological Liars
Hello, Ahmed

First, I must thank you for posting the message at the FFI enclave and for titling the post "A challenge to FFIers from BMZ" so well. I will greatly appreciate, if you could post this also as, I am talking about the Paralysis of the Kafir Mind, be it Indian, Western or Eastern.

I am following the thread and it is really fun to read the hilarious remarks coming from FFI kids, freaks, clowns and other thick-skinned posters, etc.

What is the real problem of FFI and why only a dozen or two, keep posting when according to the site meter, millions have read it?
(Note: I hope no poster fails to understand that the two refers to two dozens. lol If I had not clarified, the goons would have written, "We have more than two writers")

The biggest problem that FFI, COEM and other junk sites face, is that they have not yet found a real ex-Muslim who has good knowledge of Qur'aan in Arabic. You and I have seen that already and FFI knows this.

You have seen that we caught Khalil, debunker and a few others, who really have no knowledge of Qur'aan's Arabic and try to discuss Qur'aan through distorting translations in English.

FFI is famous for misreporting and misinforming. Let us take a look at Ali Sina, Syed Kamran Mirza, Ayesha Ahmed, Ibn Warraq, Abul Kasem. All of them are confirmed illiterates in Qur'aan, including Khalil. Most of them capitalize on the differences between Sunnis and Shias and present Shia literature as 'evidence' against all Muslims, which is so silly. I had caught Khalil doing that when he was writing under the nick Haik Monsieur.

Debates! What do the FFI goons know about debate? All they do is to prolong a debate with silly remarks full of ignorance and void of any substance. They use the same stupid, lousy arguments and that is how they try to get out of a debate. Everyone can see that from the remarks posted by 1-3 liners.

What has happened at FFI is that Ali Sina has brainwashed all the goons and they follow his polemic style. Instead of discussing, they make ad hominem attacks and dodge the points, only to be cheered by the usual gang of FFI cheerleaders. Khalil and skynightblaze are good at that and both of them can go into "Taleban" Mode very fast. lol! Most of the FFI members may soon turn into fascists, if left unchecked.

Now to some comments made by FFI goons:

yeezevee: I really don't know what to make of this clown. Poor miserable soul, a birdbrain, cannot not even address or discuss a point.

M bin lying: He has always been respectful to me.

FinallyFree: A worthless soul, full of verbal diarrhoea, who is still not free. Even after giving up "Islam", the man has not changed or improved. This guy will remain in the "Taleban" or "the Evangelist" Mode for life. Another fake ex-Muslim.

skynightblaze: A Hindu fanatic and extremist. This school boy has nothing better to do. Suffers from extreme verbal diarrhoea. He is on my ignore list. A retard, a tard and a megalomaniac.

charleslemartel: He knows the truth but is too scared of FFI megalomaniacs.

Ixolite: If he/she were the lying Moderator at the time I was wrongly banned, then he/she is not trustworthy at all. I would consider him/her a dishonest person. Anyway, I have never seen him/her contributing anything worthwhile. You might have read the recent episode when he/she was kicked out as a Moderator by Ali Sina, without a word in advance. Another 2-3 liner.

debunker: Looks like FFI's own created Muslim clone and clown after FFI realised that there are not many Muslim posters. Tries to act well as a 'Muslim' but gets caught easily. I spotted the fake immediately upon his arrival. Ask him to come and discuss Qur'aan, verse by verse with me on my site.

aksel ankersen: This is the most hilarious goon of FFI. I just read his silly comment:

Quote:
Sright

He wrote WiSsAm's name in Arabic as ويسام

Which would be pronounced "Wayassim".


Look at this fool, who reads that Arabic as WA-YASSIM. Rotflmao.
Looks like this goon aksel ankersen does not even know how to read Arabic and has anchored himself into mud. lol!

I can see most of FFI members are scared to write on my site. I can understand their fright. However, being pathological liars, they should be able to write there.

There are many more but I do not wish to name them now.

The problem with FFI and COEM is that they are not on the ground.
In fact, if they want to succeed, they should set up their stalls in some cities openly. Imagine FFI and COEM stalls in America and Europe. Can they do that? Roflmao!

They cannot. Simply because they would not dare and no one would believe the pathological liars.

Thanks, mate
BMZ

Edited to add another Zorat goon, who does not even know a word or alphabet of Arabic and Persian.
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 1:00 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to your post of Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:38 am, addressed to Khalil at FFI regarding debates, discussions, etc.

It appears to me as if Khalil is hesitant to write and discuss on Ixolite's site and I see him putting in conditions.

I believe you and I were the first ones who introduced and brought civility to Khalil, before he was civil.

Tell him, he can discuss Qur'aan on Ixolite's site by way of topics, if he is so hesitant about having a debate with Mastablaster.

Mastablaster, you and me should be enough to handle a multitude of FFIers anywhere.

I just hope Ixolite and her team enforce the rules of the Forum set up by them and make sure they are strictly followed. If Ixolite and her moderators are going to have it FFI style, then it would be a total waste of our time.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 5:51 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to your post of Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:38 am, addressed to Khalil at FFI regarding debates, discussions, etc.

It appears to me as if Khalil is hesitant to write and discuss on Ixolite's site and I see him putting in conditions.

I believe you and I were the first ones who introduced and brought civility to Khalil, before he was civil.

Tell him, he can discuss Qur'aan on Ixolite's site by way of topics, if he is so hesitant about having a debate with Mastablaster.

Mastablaster, you and me should be enough to handle a multitude of FFIers anywhere.

I just hope Ixolite and her team enforce the rules of the Forum set up by them and make sure they are strictly followed. If Ixolite and her moderators are going to have it FFI style, then it would be a total waste of our time.

Salaams
BMZ


Sure mate, I am still waiting for a reply, they want it civil and we will give it civily to them

Here is my last comment on FFI mate:



Salam all

I am sure everyone by now should have recognized the resident FFI traitor debunker, or debonked as I like to call him, or de_punk_er as M Blaster like to call him

A freak who is portraying his filthy arse as a Muslim, yet he is telling us that the Quran condones raping the slaves.

The freak also promotes Jehovah Witness crap, let?????????????????????¢??s see an example of such:

de_punk_er wrote:
I BEG you dear Fathom... I just realized that the case for my faith is extremely weak, but the case for JW is strong, could we now discuss JW which is free of all these arguments you brought up against my faith?


See what the filthy traitor is saying regarding Islam, which suppose to be his religion as the liar claimed on FFI: I just realized that the case for my faith (Islam) is extremely weak., see how he promotes JW crap afterward: but the case for JW is strong

Let me explain to you, why the filthy traitor said the above,

There is a new member on FFI named DrZaid, he sound like an atheist or an ex Muslim, or whatever, it does not really matter, what matters that he wants to discuss religions, so the filthy Muslim traitor on FFI debunker, is recommending for him JW, because JW faith have no concept of Hell, while Islam has such concept.

Sort of those kafirs reject Islam because of such concept of Hell as a reward for them. So it will be better to be JW follower because they have no hell

This is how the filthy Muslim traitor is justifying his crap:

debunker wrote:
JW faith doesn't suffer from any of the drawbacks you brought up against Islam in my discussion with you, then why shouldn't we recommend it to him, rather than atheism?


See, it is like being an atheist is very bad thing according to such filthy and confused traitor, however he did not explain why it is bad?

I guess the only answer is because if God exists then all atheists will be barbecued in hell

What a nice guy of a freak debunker turned to be, he is very keen to save a stranger (DrZaid) from atheism and consequently save him from hell. Hahahah so instead he is sending him to another hell according to the freak own belief, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And whoever seeks a religion but (the religion of) Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be among the losers.

ومن يبتغ غير الاسلام دينا فلن يقبل منه وهو في الاخره من الخاسرين

[The Quran ; 3:85]

How clear, see above, according to debunker own belief: And whoever seeks a religion but (the religion of) Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be among the losers.

Here is the facts again:

1- Debunker claims to be a Muslim
2- Debunker agrees that the case of Islam is weak
3- Debunker recommends JW for a stranger instead of being an atheist, simply to save him from hell
4- Debunker claimed religion (Islam) says that anyone who seeks a religion other than Islam, will be a loser in the hereafter, i.e must go to hell.

This must prove to you how stupid, ignorant, freak, confused and dumb such traitor debunker is

His stupidity does not stop there, let me show you another clear example:

There is a kafir on FFI named Winston, looks like a young guy in his early twenties, or late teens, while I agree that guy seems nice, he is actually another malice enemy of Islam who consistently attack Allah, Mohammed, Islam and the Quran.

Let?????????????????????¢??s see what the Quran tells us in relation to dealing with such clear enemy of our religion, I will use Shakir translation for now:

O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.

يأيها الذين امنوا لا تتخذوا عدوي وعدوكم اولياء تلقون اليهم بالمودة وقد كفروا بما جاءكم من الحق يخرجون الرسول واياكم ان تؤمنوا بالله ربكم ان كنتم خرجتم جهادا في سبيلي وابتغاء مرضاتي تسرون اليهم بالمودة وانا اعلم بما اخفيتم وما اعلنتم ومن يفعله منكم فقد ضل سواء السبيل

[The Quran ; 60:1]
-> See how clear according to the faith of traitor debunker: O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth , that he should never take the enemy of Allah and the enemy of Islam as guardians, see how the verse raised a valid argument: would you manifest love to them?

This fact was stressed more clearly in another verse, saying the opposite that the true believers will never take the enemy of Islam as friends:

You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah????????????????????????????´s party: now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.

لا تجد قوما يؤمنون بالله واليوم الاخر يوادون من حاد الله ورسوله ولو كانوا اباءهم او ابناءهم او اخوانهم او عشيرتهم اولئك كتب في قلوبهم الايمان وايدهم بروح منه ويدخلهم جنات تجري من تحتها الانهار خالدين فيها رضي الله عنهم ورضوا عنه اولئك حزب الله الا ان حزب الله هم المفلحون

[The Quran ; 58:22]
-> See how clear it is: You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk

Therefore, if we find one claiming to be a Muslim (debunker), while befriending those who act in opposition (Winston) to Allah and His Messenger, HE MUST NOT BE A BELIEVER

Now let me show you how that filthy traitor dealt with his suppose to be enemy of his religion and the enemy of Allah

It was a thread raised by the traitor, attacking the religion of Christianity, so Winston joined the discussion, and here is what the traitor said to him:

debunker wrote:
Winston!
Your very presence here is an HONOR bestowed upon me!


Here you have it all, the filthy tard of a freak debunker aka de_punk_er, is a clear cut kafir

Salam
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 8:11 pm
Post subject: To: Aksel Ankersen of FFI & COEM, read this kid!
Aksel wrote at FFI:

Aksel_Arkeson wrote:
Sright

He wrote WiSsAm's name in Arabic as ويسام

Which would be pronounced "Wayassim".


Do not comment and write anything, if you do not even know how Arabic is written in various scripts. You make an ass of yourself by doing so.

How can you read it as WA-YA-SSIM? How do you get the YA sound? lol!

Go, read Qur'aan in various scripts and figure. Roflmao!

BMZ
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 8:25 pm
Post subject: Re: To: Aksel Ankersen of FFI & COEM, read this kid!
BMZ wrote:
Aksel wrote at FFI:

Aksel_Arkeson wrote:
Sright

He wrote WiSsAm's name in Arabic as ويسام

Which would be pronounced "Wayassim".


Do not comment and write anything, if you do not even know how Arabic is written in various scripts. You make an ass of yourself by doing so.

How can you read it as WA-YA-SSIM? How do you get the YA sound? lol!

Go, read Qur'aan in various scripts and figure. Roflmao!

BMZ


I copied your comment to him mate, and added the following after it:


Now, here is something for you to look at:

http://www.tunisia-sat.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1650866

Can you see the name Weesam written with a Ya?

Therefore Weesam with a Ya or without a Ya is 100% right in Arabic, because it is a human name, do you get it?

Cheers
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 8:39 pm
Post subject:
bros, you know what really made me puke with this dee-punk-er? i gave him a lengthy response with quran verses full of wisdom that he should take heed from them and at the end of my post, i included a very short sentence telling him not to hang out with sons of b*tches.
the guy did not even say one single word on all the verses from the noble quran and instead made a big drama not once, or twice but 3 posts about my last sentence because it might hurt the other FFI members' feelings, his fellow enemies of islam.

his case is amply described in 60:1 brought by ahmed, and dee-punk-er is unmasked so obviously that im sure many non-muslims at FFI will agree with us.

and about the debate with khalil, let him bring it and call his best elements.
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 9:03 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to your post of Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:38 am, addressed to Khalil at FFI regarding debates, discussions, etc.

It appears to me as if Khalil is hesitant to write and discuss on Ixolite's site and I see him putting in conditions.

I believe you and I were the first ones who introduced and brought civility to Khalil, before he was civil.

Tell him, he can discuss Qur'aan on Ixolite's site by way of topics, if he is so hesitant about having a debate with Mastablaster.

Mastablaster, you and me should be enough to handle a multitude of FFIers anywhere.

I just hope Ixolite and her team enforce the rules of the Forum set up by them and make sure they are strictly followed. If Ixolite and her moderators are going to have it FFI style, then it would be a total waste of our time.

Salaams
BMZ


Sure mate, I am still waiting for a reply, they want it civil and we will give it civily to them

Here is my last comment on FFI mate:



Salam all

I am sure everyone by now should have recognized the resident FFI traitor debunker, or debonked as I like to call him, or de_punk_er as M Blaster like to call him

A freak who is portraying his filthy arse as a Muslim, yet he is telling us that the Quran condones raping the slaves.

The freak also promotes Jehovah Witness crap, let?????????????????????¢??s see an example of such:

de_punk_er wrote:
I BEG you dear Fathom... I just realized that the case for my faith is extremely weak, but the case for JW is strong, could we now discuss JW which is free of all these arguments you brought up against my faith?


See what the filthy traitor is saying regarding Islam, which suppose to be his religion as the liar claimed on FFI: I just realized that the case for my faith (Islam) is extremely weak., see how he promotes JW crap afterward: but the case for JW is strong

Let me explain to you, why the filthy traitor said the above,

There is a new member on FFI named DrZaid, he sound like an atheist or an ex Muslim, or whatever, it does not really matter, what matters that he wants to discuss religions, so the filthy Muslim traitor on FFI debunker, is recommending for him JW, because JW faith have no concept of Hell, while Islam has such concept.

Sort of those kafirs reject Islam because of such concept of Hell as a reward for them. So it will be better to be JW follower because they have no hell

This is how the filthy Muslim traitor is justifying his crap:

debunker wrote:
JW faith doesn't suffer from any of the drawbacks you brought up against Islam in my discussion with you, then why shouldn't we recommend it to him, rather than atheism?


See, it is like being an atheist is very bad thing according to such filthy and confused traitor, however he did not explain why it is bad?

I guess the only answer is because if God exists then all atheists will be barbecued in hell

What a nice guy of a freak debunker turned to be, he is very keen to save a stranger (DrZaid) from atheism and consequently save him from hell. Hahahah so instead he is sending him to another hell according to the freak own belief, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And whoever seeks a religion but (the religion of) Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be among the losers.

ومن يبتغ غير الاسلام دينا فلن يقبل منه وهو في الاخره من الخاسرين

[The Quran ; 3:85]

How clear, see above, according to debunker own belief: And whoever seeks a religion but (the religion of) Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be among the losers.

Here is the facts again:

1- Debunker claims to be a Muslim
2- Debunker agrees that the case of Islam is weak
3- Debunker recommends JW for a stranger instead of being an atheist, simply to save him from hell
4- Debunker claimed religion (Islam) says that anyone who seeks a religion other than Islam, will be a loser in the hereafter, i.e must go to hell.

This must prove to you how stupid, ignorant, freak, confused and dumb such traitor debunker is

His stupidity does not stop there, let me show you another clear example:

There is a kafir on FFI named Winston, looks like a young guy in his early twenties, or late teens, while I agree that guy seems nice, he is actually another malice enemy of Islam who consistently attack Allah, Mohammed, Islam and the Quran.

Let?????????????????????¢??s see what the Quran tells us in relation to dealing with such clear enemy of our religion, I will use Shakir translation for now:

O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.

يأيها الذين امنوا لا تتخذوا عدوي وعدوكم اولياء تلقون اليهم بالمودة وقد كفروا بما جاءكم من الحق يخرجون الرسول واياكم ان تؤمنوا بالله ربكم ان كنتم خرجتم جهادا في سبيلي وابتغاء مرضاتي تسرون اليهم بالمودة وانا اعلم بما اخفيتم وما اعلنتم ومن يفعله منكم فقد ضل سواء السبيل

[The Quran ; 60:1]
-> See how clear according to the faith of traitor debunker: O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth , that he should never take the enemy of Allah and the enemy of Islam as guardians, see how the verse raised a valid argument: would you manifest love to them?

This fact was stressed more clearly in another verse, saying the opposite that the true believers will never take the enemy of Islam as friends:

You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah????????????????????????????´s party: now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.

لا تجد قوما يؤمنون بالله واليوم الاخر يوادون من حاد الله ورسوله ولو كانوا اباءهم او ابناءهم او اخوانهم او عشيرتهم اولئك كتب في قلوبهم الايمان وايدهم بروح منه ويدخلهم جنات تجري من تحتها الانهار خالدين فيها رضي الله عنهم ورضوا عنه اولئك حزب الله الا ان حزب الله هم المفلحون

[The Quran ; 58:22]
-> See how clear it is: You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk

Therefore, if we find one claiming to be a Muslim (debunker), while befriending those who act in opposition (Winston) to Allah and His Messenger, HE MUST NOT BE A BELIEVER

Now let me show you how that filthy traitor dealt with his suppose to be enemy of his religion and the enemy of Allah

It was a thread raised by the traitor, attacking the religion of Christianity, so Winston joined the discussion, and here is what the traitor said to him:

debunker wrote:
Winston!

Your very presence here is an HONOR bestowed upon me!



Here you have it all, the filthy tard of a freak debunker aka de_punk_er, is a clear cut kafir

Salam


Hello, Ahmed

FFI has urgently cooked up some 'Muslim' posters. Debunker and other guys are fakes. Period.

FFI was full of fake ex-Muslims and what do we have now? Fake 'Muslims'.

Mate, this is getting really hilarious and FFI is making a total fool of itself in front of the silent international readers.

I am glad that ixolite has started the forum, where FFI goons cannot do multi-nicking.

Credit goes to you for exposing the fraud and the fakes. FFI is now in the Self-loathing Mode.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 9:20 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks, mate for posting for teh attention of Aksel Ankersen but I could not make out anything from the lousy gibberish by this girl yeezevee.

The goon wrote:
Quote:


Re: A challenge to FFIers from BMZ

Postby yeezevee ????????????????????????????» Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:46 am
That Buffoon Muslim Zombie comments

How can you read it as WA-YA-SSIM? How do you get the YA sound? lol!

Well dear A_B tell that ZOMBIE and take this message to BMZ..

It makes no difference whether one makes sounds from Arabic Language, African Languages, Asian Languages or American Languages or a Just from an Ass fart. Proof of of Islam is in its pudding. 1400 years of history that is based upon Mr. Muhammad + his followers + his life style and that copy/pasted silly book Q'uran

.............."Islam is a religion of Warlords to start with
....................................and now
.........it is a religion of Fools following Brutes
...................................and
.........................Feudal ruling the Brutes and Fools."


That is the bottom line of Islam. The political Cult of Mr. Muhammad and his followers.

yeezevee


Mate, the bottom line is that FFI is now in a pickle and does not know how to handle their own silly and incoherent goons.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 9:29 pm
Post subject:
shindeiru wrote:
bros, you know what really made me puke with this dee-punk-er? i gave him a lengthy response with quran verses full of wisdom that he should take heed from them and at the end of my post, i included a very short sentence telling him not to hang out with sons of b*tches.
the guy did not even say one single word on all the verses from the noble quran and instead made a big drama not once, or twice but 3 posts about my last sentence because it might hurt the other FFI members' feelings, his fellow enemies of islam.

his case is amply described in 60:1 brought by ahmed, and dee-punk-er is unmasked so obviously that im sure many non-muslims at FFI will agree with us.

and about the debate with khalil, let him bring it and call his best elements.


Hello, Shindeiru

Most of the FFI posters fall in the category of Alad-dul-khisaam. The guy debunker is definitely not a Muslim. He is a fake.

Please do not entertain him or Khalil at FFI and I shall be delighted if you can register at Ixolite's site and the three of us can handle all the FFI goons, who will be rushing there.

Most of the FFI guys only know how to copy and paste. They talk through translations and have no real good knowledge of Arabic.

They do not even know the alphabets. lol! I wish if you could inform Fudgy via PM to join ixolite's site.

Debunker initially tried to bulldoze Fudgy but he has also realised that debunker is a fake.

Salaams, bro
BMZ
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 9:44 pm
Post subject:
shindeiru wrote:
bros, you know what really made me puke with this dee-punk-er? i gave him a lengthy response with quran verses full of wisdom that he should take heed from them and at the end of my post, i included a very short sentence telling him not to hang out with sons of b*tches.
the guy did not even say one single word on all the verses from the noble quran and instead made a big drama not once, or twice but 3 posts about my last sentence because it might hurt the other FFI members' feelings, his fellow enemies of islam.


Excellent note man, exposing such freak,

Apparently he replied to my Quran comment above, however I yet to read it, when I have time for his filthy arse

cheers
- Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:24 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
shindeiru wrote:
bros, you know what really made me puke with this dee-punk-er? i gave him a lengthy response with quran verses full of wisdom that he should take heed from them and at the end of my post, i included a very short sentence telling him not to hang out with sons of b*tches.
the guy did not even say one single word on all the verses from the noble quran and instead made a big drama not once, or twice but 3 posts about my last sentence because it might hurt the other FFI members' feelings, his fellow enemies of islam.


Excellent note man, exposing such freak,

Apparently he replied to my Quran comment above, however I yet to read it, when I have time for his filthy arse

cheers


Salaams, Ahmed

Just read the following from Debunker, who is actually debunking and making fun of himself:

Quote:
@ Bahgat

Now, here is something for you to look at:

http://www.tunisia-sat.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1650866

Can you see the name Weesam written with a Ya?

therefore Weesam with a Ya or without a Ya is 100% right in Arabic, because it is a human name, do you get it?

Cheers



You are too much! Have you no shame whatsoever?! There is a big fucking difference between alphabet and vocalization marks! Only half-illiterates don't know the difference, and so-called Arabs from Tunisia making laughable spelling mistakes on online forums, does NOT mean that Wessam can be written ويسام... Have some integrity you lying freak!




I think you should not explain to FFI goons too much. Can you please ask this goon to write "Wissam" and "Visam" in Arabic and post it.
He tries to talk a lot but does not appear to have any substance.

This way, he will dimiss himself. lol!

Remember, once I wrote Alad-dul-Khisaam in Arabic on FFI and not a single goon could understand it? Rofl

BMZ
- Fri 01 May, 2009 12:46 am
Post subject: Ixolite's Forum
Hello, Ahmed and shindeiru

skynightblaze, the piece of shit is trying to spoil the atmosphere there.

http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=32&sid=af079fbbba636c9458fcb147ecb63279

I suggest all of us ignore this piece of shit and a fucked up mind at that site.

Salaams & Good night
BMZ
- Fri 01 May, 2009 4:57 pm
Post subject:
Great Slam Dunk, mate

FFI's KKKGoons must have really learnt something which neither of the goons ever knew.

Quote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:Here is another one for you Aksel:

الملف الشخصي لـ ويسام

http://www.livearabictv.net/vb/member.php?u=13622


so, you got to admit, that I taught you something new, that Wessam as an Arabic name can be written with a Ya or without a Ya, as I have numerously showed.

you should thank BMZ for teaching you so

cheers


The goons will be slowly learning more from you and me.

Please ignore the comments made by two assholes/nosehairs who write under the nick skynightblaze and sunshine and appear to be homos from the sub-Continent. Rofl

Salaams,
BMZ
- Fri 01 May, 2009 5:36 pm
Post subject:
Just read some comments from the self-loathing deceivers Debunker, skynight blaze and sunshine.

Ahmed,

The FFI goons are now just doing their routine diversion nonsense. You and I have told them that Arabic name can be written in various scripts.

The best joke is that there is not a single comment by Wissam, himself and he did not say a word at all.

Let us write the nicknames of FFI goons and Homos in closest possible Arabic and see if they can come up with their own equivalents in Arabic.

Asshole No:1 Debunker ديبَنكَر

Asshole No:2 Skynightblaze سكينايتبلَيز

Asshole No:3 Sunshine سَنشاين

Asshole No:4 yeezevee يَيزَڤي
For some reasons, instead of vee he/she becomes a pee. lol!

Aksel Ankersen will come out as: اكسَل انكَرسَن


ب م ز
- Sat 02 May, 2009 5:42 pm
Post subject:
I read the following excellent response from fudgy to sum
and enjoyed it.

Quote:


Re: Does Quran Sanction Rape?

Postby fudgy ????????????????????????????» Sat May 02, 2009 7:24 am

Sum, I will assume that you have some brain. Can't you find the answer to your question from our posts?

But since you are still in your diapers I will lay this out for you: NO! I would never want to force my wife into me, however I would want her to be all over me lol.

Beside why won't your wife want to have sex with you unless something is really wrong. Happy now?


BMZ
- Sun 03 May, 2009 8:20 am
Post subject:
Look bro BMZ how stupid Khalil Fariel of FFI can be:

A low kafir (Winston) was mocking Mohammed while talking to a Muslim (Hamid), by calling him a profit, so Hamid asked him politely:

hamid wrote:
He was a prophet. Call him a prophet.


So Khalil Fareil joined such mocking as any low kafir is expected to behave, so here is what Khalil had to say to Hamid:

KhaliL FarieL wrote:
What does it mean Prophet? Is it a term you use for a lecherous mass-murderer? Then I am pretty cool with it. Oh stop.. I will call him ProFART Muhammad. Is it okay or?


So I replied to Khalil:

So you are resorting to your childish crap again?

Well, don't blame me then if I go hard at ya, and treat you the same

Remember, an eye for an eye

Also dear Khalil, tell me why I have to respect a kafir who is calling the prophet of Islam, ProFART Mohammed?

Cheers
- Sun 03 May, 2009 5:12 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey goons

Let me totally demolish the confused and manipulated kafirs and their fellow traitor debonked

see what I wrote in my last comment to Khalil, for which I am certain he will dodge as he dodged so many tough arguments in the past

I asked him:

1) Why the right hand?
2) Why not the left hand?
3) Why not both hands?

Now if we think of the slaves as almost equivalent to the POWs, then the POWs should also be described as being possessed by the right hands. Let's have a look at the following verse which is talking about the POWs, and let's see if they are controlled by the right hand, or by the left hand or by both hands, obviously by both hands is the most logical:

O Prophet! Say to those who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war: If Allah knows good in your hearts, He will give you better than that which has been taken from you and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

يأيها النبي قل لمن في ايديكم من الاسري ان يعلم الله في قلوبكم خيرا يؤتكم خيرا مما اخذ منكم ويغفر لكم والله غفور رحيم

[The Quran ; 8:70]

-> See you ignorant and confused FFI goons, Allah is telling us about the POWs: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

I am sure the confused goons can see the slam coming

So if Ma Malakat Aymanikum means, what your right hands possess, how come the POWs were described as being controlled by both hands, let's see it again: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

If the right hand is the expression to express owning, controlling, enslaving others, then shouldn't the verse above be saying:

لمن في ايمانكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYMANIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your right hands from among the prisoners of war

Therefore, Ma Malakat Aymanikum MUST mean, What your oaths possess, which means that a capable human took an oath before Allah that he/she will care for and support any weak human.

What a mother of all slams



I don't know how come I missed reading this Gem of a Grand Slam, the Mother of all Slams, Ahmed.

Excellent, mate.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 04 May, 2009 12:02 am
Post subject: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons. I laughed my ass off when I read this fake Moza wrote that Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and other goons opened her eyes. Rotflmao.

Here at my home, our Filipino maid is about to give up Christianity.

We allowed her to go to church on Sundays but she refused. Looking at the family members praying at home, she was fascinated.

In fact she is pushing us to speed up her Shahada but we have asked her to read and learn more first. Being a born and practising Christian, she now tells us, "I do not believe that a man like Jesus can be a son of God and how can he be God? Why should God have a son? "

Salaams
BMZ

Link for the bullshit: [url=http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Moza_(former_Muslim)] CLICK[/url]
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:19 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
The best joke is that there is not a single comment by Wissam, himself and he did not say a word at all.

WiSsAm's not a member of forum09.

BMZ wrote:
Let us write the nicknames of FFI goons and Homos in closest possible Arabic and see if they can come up with their own equivalents in Arabic.

Aksel Ankersen will come out as: اكسَل انكَرسَن

ب م ز

I would be inclined to spell my last name with an Ayn as the first letter and Kha instead of Kaf (like "Anchorson"), but I'm not here to discuss Arabic. I've come here because you keep fleeing when I try to engage you on any forum... Seems you don't dare to engage with a hostile poster unless you're the moderator. Very slippery behaviour and it doesn't do you any credit, but I'm here now.

First on the agenda:

BMZ wrote:
The link: http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=68

It seems fair to such dirty buggers and miserable souls to mock and ridicule Islam, Qur'aan, Prophet and Muslims but when they are sweetly fingered and screwed up nicely, they are unable to take even a finger, not to mention blows.

I am really sick of such parlaysed, sick and brainless kafir minds.

Well, where have I used the kind of language that you use about my people, to describe Muslims, Muhammad or Allah? Give a link please.

I'd like you to explain what problem you have with my people as well, or is it just that you don't like me and Rashna so you curse us all?
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:23 am
Post subject:
Welcome Aksel

Let the fight begins, lol

anyway, you are free to express your thoughts in anyway you see, this is free speech forum with no banning or warning in place, if you violate the only rule which is mocking Allah or any of his prophets, no worries, and no warnings, I just edit the comment and move any mocking to Allah and His prophets

you can mock me, you can mock BMZ and you can mock all Muslims if you like, I have no problem with that

cheers
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:23 am
Post subject: Re: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
BMZ wrote:
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons.

The word "goon" has been in use since the nineteenth century. It's not your intellectual property.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=goon
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:24 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Welcome Aksel

Let the fight begins, lol

anyway, you are free to express your thoughts in anyway you see, this is free speech forum with no banning or warning in place, if you violate the only rule which is mocking Allah or any of his prophets, no worries, and no warnings, I just edit the comment and move any mocking to Allah and His prophets

you can mock me, you can mock BMZ and you can mock all Muslims if you like, I have no problem with that

cheers

Thank you Ahmed. Kind of you.
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:27 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
It has become a fashion for Indian Hindus and Zorats to sit on ex-Muslims' site and write junk and rubbish, when their own religions are complete rubbish.

Easy to say mr BMZ, let's see how you back it up.
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
BMZ wrote:
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons.


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
The word "goon" has been in use since the nineteenth century you moron. It's not your intellectual property.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=goon


I think BMZ meant the use of the word to refer to the kafirs who mock Islam, i do not think he meant that he invented it, I actually learnt it from BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 1:35 pm
Post subject: Re: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons.


The word "goon" has been in use since the nineteenth century you moron. It's not your intellectual property.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=goon


Welcome, AA

Where did I say that I coined or invented the word Goon?

Did I say the word was my intellectual property?

I was the first one to use it for FFI members. When you ASSume, you make an ass of yourself. So, do not assume.

Now that you are here, you can mock me and other Muslims but keep in mind that you shall write Prophet's name in full and Allah with a capital A and when you talk of God of Islam, write God with a capital G. Please do not use blue or purple colour, when writing anything in English. You can use those colours only if you quote verses of qur'aan. Also, address me only as BMZ in your posts and do not call me an old man, because my youngest wife, 25 thinks I am only 40.

BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 1:41 pm
Post subject: Re: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons.


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
The word "goon" has been in use since the nineteenth century you moron. It's not your intellectual property.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=goon


I think BMZ meant the use of the word to refer to the kafirs who mock Islam, i do not think he meant that he invented it, I actually learnt it from BMZ


That is true, mate. I used it because I found that the insanity of a Kafir mind knows no bounds.

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 1:45 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
It has become a fashion for Indian Hindus and Zorats to sit on ex-Muslims' site and write junk and rubbish, when their own religions are complete rubbish.

Easy to say mr Baig MZ, let's see how you back it up.


What is the need to provide any back up?

Just look at Rashna, a Fire worshipper and others at COEM and sunshine, skynightblaze and other Hindus at FFI, talking and churning out rubbish against Islam, Prophet and Qur'aan.

BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 2:14 pm
Post subject:
[quote="Aksel_Ankersen"]
BMZ wrote:
The best joke is that there is not a single comment by Wissam, himself and he did not say a word at all.


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
WiSsAm's not a member of forum09, you fool.


Who said that Wissam was a member of forum09? Did I say, Wissam is a member of forum09? The topic regarding his nick was on COEM. See how foolish was your silly comment!

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
I would be inclined to spell my last name with an Ayn as the first letter and Kha instead of Kaf (like "Anchorson"), but I'm not here to discuss Arabic.


I don't care whether you write with Ayn or Kha. I have not heard your name or your voice, so it was based on English. You can be any alphabet in Arabic. No prob!

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
I've come here because you keep fleeing when I try to engage you on any forum... Seems you don't dare to engage with a hostile poster unless you're the moderator. Very slippery behaviour and it doesn't do you any credit, but I'm here now.


I have taken many hostile posters on their home ground, so don't give me the crap of 'fleeing'. I have battled the hooligans at CARM, FFI and other hostile-to-Islam sites and have faced all the goons, alone.

Now that you are here, you can discuss Qur'aan with me. So, don't waste time on petty and silly matters.

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Well liar, where have I used the kind of language that you use about my people, to describe Muslims, Muhammad or Allah? Give a link or you will be proven a liar AGAIN.


Where did I say or pointed directly that Ankel Ankersen has used that kind of language? Rashna did and I believe you support her. Read what Rashna writes on COEM. If you are sitting among a bunch of barbarians and filthy liars, nodding to them, I will count you among them.

Now if you are here for any serious discussions on Qur'aan, then carry on.

BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 2:22 pm
Post subject:
Actually if AA can explain to me his religion but in a different thread, as I am really interested to know it from one who follow it, not from URL around

so please AA, describe to me the concept of your religion in very simple terms, it will be good if you bring a verse or a passage from your scripture to support any simplified term you used to describe your religion to an ignorant guy like me, I mean by my ignorance, is my ignorance concerning your religion, I actually know absoutely nothing about it, I know you have given me a few links to your scriptures, but that is no good for an introduction, as well I do not trust what I read on the net, so if the info from an adherent follower, it will have far more integrity in my eyes

cheers
- Tue 05 May, 2009 2:36 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
It has become a fashion for Indian Hindus and Zorats to sit on ex-Muslims' site and write junk and rubbish, when their own religions are complete rubbish.

Easy to say mr BMZ, let's see how you back it up.


What is the need to provide any back up?

Just look at Rashna, a Fire worshipper and others at COEM and sunshine, skynightblaze and other Hindus at FFI, talking and churning out rubbish against Islam, Prophet and Qur'aan.

BMZ

Well, firstly thank you for civil reply, and I appologize for my abusive PM on the other board. I have edited my posts to remove the insults.

However, you still betray your xenophobia. Skynightblaze is an atheist, not a Hindu, he has publically renounced Hinduism. Rashna, the child of a Muslim mother and a Zoroastrian father, is an agnostic. Denigrating a religion on the basis of a handful of followers is silly, denigrating an entire group of religions on the basis of one or two ex-followers who don't even believe in them is crazy.

BMZ wrote:
If you are sitting among a bunch of barbarians and filthy liars, nodding to them, I will count you among them.

That's a reasonable stance but scarcely applicable to me. I have condemned the hateful members of that FFI site and I've even got one or two of them banned so far.

Now, since you are being reasonable I will open a new topic to discuss Islamic issues.

Regards
- Tue 05 May, 2009 2:38 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Actually if AA can explain to me his religion but in a different thread, as I am really interested to know it from one who follow it, not from URL around

so please AA, describe to me the concept of your religion in very simple terms, it will be good if you bring a verse or a passage from your scripture to support any simplified term you used to describe your religion to an ignorant guy like me, I mean by my ignorance, is my ignorance concerning your religion, I actually know absoutely nothing about it, I know you have given me a few links to your scriptures, but that is no good for an introduction, as well I do not trust what I read on the net, so if the info from an adherent follower, it will have far more integrity in my eyes

cheers

I will do so but I must stress that I am a most flawed adherent of my religion, scarcely one to talk authoritatively about it.
- Tue 05 May, 2009 2:50 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
It has become a fashion for Indian Hindus and Zorats to sit on ex-Muslims' site and write junk and rubbish, when their own religions are complete rubbish.

Easy to say mr BMZ, let's see how you back it up.


What is the need to provide any back up?

Just look at Rashna, a Fire worshipper and others at COEM and sunshine, skynightblaze and other Hindus at FFI, talking and churning out rubbish against Islam, Prophet and Qur'aan.

BMZ

Well, firstly thank you for civil reply, and I appologize for my abusive PM on the other board. I have edited my posts to remove the insults.

However, you still betray your xenophobia. Skynightblaze is an atheist, not a Hindu, he has publically renounced Hinduism. Rashna, the child of a Muslim mother and a Zoroastrian father, is an agnostic. Denigrating a religion on the basis of a handful of followers is silly, denigrating an entire group of religions on the basis of one or two ex-followers who don't even believe in them is crazy.

BMZ wrote:
If you are sitting among a bunch of barbarians and filthy liars, nodding to them, I will count you among them.

That's a reasonable stance but scarcely applicable to me. I have condemned the hateful members of that FFI site and I've even got one or two of them banned so far.

Now, since you are being reasonable I will open a new topic to discuss Islamic issues.

Regards


Thanks and let bygones be bygones. You are welcome.

BMZ
- Tue 05 May, 2009 5:20 pm
Post subject:
Hey AA

In reply to your comment on the real islam site, in which you suggested that 'breath' is better than 'blow' to translate the word "Yanfukh"

I say no, because breath implies both air in and out, in fact more in, there is also a word for 'breath' in Arabic which is 'Yatanafas', however the Quran was very accurate in describing the action of breath as being two actions in one, i.e. air in, and air out, only the air out can be classified as blow, the Quran used the explicit worrds for each action: Shahiq (Air in), Zafir (Air out)

Also the same word Yanfukh, was used numerous times in the context of blowing into the SOOR (Trumpet), and in here I can not say breath into the trumpet, so in my translation, I have to stick to the word 'blow' to translate the word Yanfukh, unless you have another english word that is better and still implies blowing (air out)

Cheers
- Tue 05 May, 2009 11:52 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey AA

In reply to your comment on the real islam site, in which you suggested that 'breath' is better than 'blow' to translate the word "Yanfukh"

I say no, because breath implies both air in and out, in fact more in, there is also a word for 'breath' in Arabic which is 'Yatanafas', however the Quran was very accurate in describing the action of breath as being two actions in one, i.e. air in, and air out, only the air out can be classified as blow, the Quran used the explicit worrds for each action: Shahiq (Air in), Zafir (Air out)

Also the same word Yanfukh, was used numerous times in the context of blowing into the SOOR (Trumpet), and in here I can not say breath into the trumpet, so in my translation, I have to stick to the word 'blow' to translate the word Yanfukh, unless you have another english word that is better and still implies blowing (air out)

Cheers

Hello Ahmed

Of course you know better than me what Arabic words mean... but I suggest the word closest to nafakh in English is exhale. To breathe out and to blow is an exhalation either way. In English a distinction is made between forcefully blowing and just breathing out, but I was unaware of any such distinction in Arabic so perhaps nafakh can mean either breathe or blow depending on context.

Nafakh translated as breathed in the ayah about Allah creating Jesus in his mother's womb may be better as all creation is supposed to be Nafas al Rahman i.e. breath of the merciful.
- Wed 06 May, 2009 12:00 pm
Post subject: Surah Suad 38
Hello, Ahmed

Enjoyed reading your translation of Surah 38.

I always enjoy reading these verses about Kafirs:

هَٰذَا فَوْجٌ مُقْتَحِمٌ مَعَكُمْ ۖ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّهُمْ صَالُو النَّارِ

قَالُوا بَلْ أَنْتُمْ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِكُمْ ۖ أَنْتُمْ قَدَّمْتُمُوهُ لَنَا ۖ فَبِئْسَ الْقَرَارُ

قَالُوا رَبَّنَا مَنْ قَدَّمَ لَنَا هَٰذَا فَزِدْهُ عَذَابًا ضِعْفًا فِي النَّارِ

وَقَالُوا مَا لَنَا لَا نَرَىٰ رِجَالًا كُنَّا نَعُدُّهُمْ مِنَ الْأَشْرَارِ

BMZ
- Wed 06 May, 2009 2:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Surah Suad 38
BMZ wrote:

I always enjoy reading these verses about Kafirs:

هَٰذَا فَوْجٌ مُقْتَحِمٌ مَعَكُمْ ۖ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّهُمْ صَالُو النَّارِ

قَالُوا بَلْ أَنْتُمْ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِكُمْ ۖ أَنْتُمْ قَدَّمْتُمُوهُ لَنَا ۖ فَبِئْسَ الْقَرَارُ

قَالُوا رَبَّنَا مَنْ قَدَّمَ لَنَا هَٰذَا فَزِدْهُ عَذَابًا ضِعْفًا فِي النَّارِ

وَقَالُوا مَا لَنَا لَا نَرَىٰ رِجَالًا كُنَّا نَعُدُّهُمْ مِنَ الْأَشْرَارِ

BMZ

Really? How sadistic of you. Unfortunately it may prove to be no more than a pleasure of anticipation.
- Wed 06 May, 2009 3:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Surah Suad 38
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:

I always enjoy reading these verses about Kafirs:

هَٰذَا فَوْجٌ مُقْتَحِمٌ مَعَكُمْ ۖ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّهُمْ صَالُو النَّارِ

قَالُوا بَلْ أَنْتُمْ لَا مَرْحَبًا بِكُمْ ۖ أَنْتُمْ قَدَّمْتُمُوهُ لَنَا ۖ فَبِئْسَ الْقَرَارُ

قَالُوا رَبَّنَا مَنْ قَدَّمَ لَنَا هَٰذَا فَزِدْهُ عَذَابًا ضِعْفًا فِي النَّارِ

وَقَالُوا مَا لَنَا لَا نَرَىٰ رِجَالًا كُنَّا نَعُدُّهُمْ مِنَ الْأَشْرَارِ

BMZ

Really? How sadistic of you. Unfortunately it may prove to be no more than a pleasure of anticipation.


Not really. Not in that sense. The beauty of the language. That is why I quoted in Arabic only.
- Thu 07 May, 2009 11:17 am
Post subject: A Pervert's New Topic on FFI
Hello, all

I just read the lead goon KhaliL FarieL's post, titled Muhammad Maria Affair in Quran at FFI.

I am amazed at the audacity of this man, who I think, has never spoken a word of truth in his life. One can see how this pervert distorts and creates the titles of his posts.

"Muhammad Maria Affair in Quran"

Any sensible reader can see that Qur'aan does not talk about ladies or backbites about them. In fact, Qur'aan does not name any woman except dear Maryam.

The pervert's topic can be read here:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2217

I am in a hurry for a meeting. Can someone tell the pervert to read about Prophet's wives here and also tell the goon that concubines are taken by men and are not gifted to them by others. Rotflmao

http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/Prophet/ProphetWives/index.shtml

Will dissect his idiotic post later.

BMZ
- Thu 07 May, 2009 11:20 am
Post subject: For Islamophobes & FFI goons to take immediate action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

lol!

BMZ
- Thu 07 May, 2009 2:40 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I saw your response to the conman at FFI:

Quote:
I wonder mister Khalil

why you dodged the first words by Ibn Kathir in his tafsir to the above verse?

Let me show it to you:

اُخْتُلِفَ فِي سَبَب نُزُول صَدْر هَذِهِ السُّورَة


Hahah, you know what the above mean which is said by ibn kathir?

it means: the people differed to the reason of revealing those first verses in this sura


Keep it itchy and shifty, mister Khalil


Most of the perverts at FFI are really itchy, shifty, conniving and contriving Aladdul-Khisaams and Liars, good at concoction.. lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 07 May, 2009 3:24 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I don't know who wrote the following for Khalil. It looks like another alleged "Shia ex-Muslim", who wrote the following:

Quote:
Muhammad Maria Affair in Quran

Khalil Fariel


Muhammad had a concubine named Maria. His only son Ibrahim was born in her though the child died in infancy.

This is one of the secrets about Muhammad that most Muslims do not want to tell us. But an established fact does not require further substantiations hence I am not going to strive for proving Maria the Copt was Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s concubine. My attempt is to look into a notorious incident in Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s life which is connected to Maria our key figure.

Quran chapter (63) Surah Tahrim: for those going through the first part of this Surah, there is enough to wonder what they ARE exactly for in a book claimed to be guidance to the entire humanity to the end of times. We see God compelling Muhammad to expiate his oaths in order to crush the rebellion of his wives. What does this have to do in our affairs in this living period?

I am not hoping for an answer to this from Muslims but there is a little secret again for Muslims to bury or misinterpret to a great extent. The verses 1 to 5 tell us the story of Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s wives?????????????????????¢?? rebellion and Allah entering into the sight in a rather reproachful mode. After that god goes on to explain the reason of the rebellion of Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s wives:

And when the prophet secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives-- but when she informed (others) of it, and Allah made him to know it, he made known part of it and avoided part; so when he informed her of it, she said: Who informed you of this? He said: The Knowing, the one Aware, informed me. [Quran Chapter 63:5]

I had to isolate the above because this contains the ingredient I want to dissect. Verse says of a secret prophet informed to one of his wives but she later discloses the secret to others. Muhammad's God informs him of this leakage in right time for his wives to wonder ?????????????????????¢??how come he has been alerted of it?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. It is the essence.

Now, there is obviously something reeking with the above. What was that Muhammad had to conceal from some of his wives that is known to only one of them? What is all this drama about?

Muslims will not tell us the truth. The fact about this is not been found in two Sahih Hadith collections namely Bukhari and Muslim. What we get to know is rather a laughable account in something called Maghafir (a drink) or honey is mixed up.


Could you please tell the FFI clown to get at least the Surah number right. It is not 63. lol!

BMZ
- Thu 07 May, 2009 5:44 pm
Post subject: Khalil's post
Just read this response from Khalil to you, Ahmed.

Quote:
Hello Ahmed,

I know there is "Ikhtilaf"(dispute) among Quran interpreters on which occassion was the verses been revealed. And I did not claim Ibn Kathir did not have different version. In fact I brought the second version of events first from the online translators and to expose those people's deception brought the instant account from Ibn Kathir. I did not claim there is another version.

Besides, I brought Al-Shoukani too in which it said "scholars have disputed over the "Sabab" = reason". I translated it almost word to word and you can see it in my OP. But the first account all Mufassirs give is the one in "Muhammad is seen with Maria in Hafsa's house in latter's bed". And that can be the only fitting reason for Allah to reveal verses because the apologetic version does not make sense even for those who want to defend it. "Maghafir" is not a prohibited drink for Muhammad to have it privately and to keep it as secret from all of his wives except one.

Regards
KF


He is again drifting into hadith and tafaasirs. Where does the Qur'aan mention about Maria?

I am aware of his hatred towards the Prophet but how can the sick pervert Khalil title his post "Muhammad Maria Affair in Quran"?

If he is an honest and a decent person, which I believe he is not, he could have titled it in his own perverted way, "Muhammad Maria Affair according to ahaadith and junk and stuff.

The man is sick.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 07 May, 2009 11:01 pm
Post subject: Superb response from Mastablaster
Quote:
MastaBlaster wrote:"its funny to sit back and watch the enemies of faith banging their hands and trying to find a new angle to try and scratch the noble quran with their dirty nails

so Aaron Spelling aka khalil fariel above (who mixed up his surah numbers) wants to make a BeverlyHills 90210 drama out of a simple set of 5 verses."


Quote:
Khalil Fariel wrote:I had to isolate the above because this contains the ingredient I want to dissect.


Quote:
Mastablaster wrote Laughing of course you have to isolate verses in order to concoct your drama movie. but lets see if the BeverlyHills 90210 scenario holds waters if we put your purposely isolated verse back in context

66:1 O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

the prophet forbid something lawful for himself for the sake of pleasing his lucky wives. a true gentleman ahead of his time, not abusing from his social position, taking into consideration the emotions and needs of his wives 68:4"And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality"

66:2 Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise.

here we learn that muhammad went as far as taking an oath to forbid hismelf this lawful thing, but God says that He previously sanctionned the expiation of oaths when it is something lawful, because idealy one should not abstain himself from the lawful things in life. sometimes a human being under the influence of emotions makes an oath and forbids to himself something permissible as was the case with the prophet, and in such cases the oath should be broken 2:224 and then atoned for 5:89.

66:3 And when the prophet secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives-- but when she informed (others) of it, and Allah made him to know it, he made known part of it and avoided part; so when he informed her of it, she said: Who informed you of this? He said: The Knowing, the one Aware, informed me.

the prophet shared a secret with one of his wives but she betrayed his trust. apparently the gentleman of sublim morality was not feared inside his household.

66:4 If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.

the wife that betrayed his confidence and the one(s) that listened (contributing to the betrayal) are given the choice to ask forgiveness to Allah for this shameful act, their abuse of trust and leniency of the prophet towards them. This is done to reveal their true hearts, if they are true believers.
the verse tells them that if they seek forgiveness it means their hearts incline to faith, that they are true believers who made a mistake without any evil intention. but if they persist in their attitude it means they do not fear Allah and they are not among the true believers who do good. Allah, the angels and the true believers will protect the prophet from the machinations of evil spirits, and at the end Allah might replace such wives with true Muslims (see next verse)

66:5 Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.

if they dont mend their ways and the prophet divorces them, God might replace them with other wives having the following qualities: muslims (muslimatin), true believers (mu'minatin), obedient to Allah, turn to Allah in repentence, worshipers of Allah, fasters, whether widows or virgins.

As seen in Aaron Spelling's original post, there are several conflicting reports as to the circumstances surrounding the revelation of these verses, and this is enough to discard all of them.

The above verses do not serve any biographical purpose of the prophet of course, and the silence of the Quran regarding the thing which the prophet forbid himself from, testifies to this. The intent is thus to bring out a moral lesson applicable to all times and persons: the inadmissibility of regarding as forbidden (haram) anything that God has made lawful (halal), even if such an attitude happens to be motivated by the desire to please someone else. It also shows that the prophet was but a human being, subject to human emotions and even liable to commit an occasional mistake.
These verses also speak of the important notion of trust between husband and wife, that they should remain God-counscious in their interractions with eachother or else they could be replaced with other more pious husband/wife.


Quote:
Ahmed wrote: "That was awsome bro, thanks. I reckon it should be part of the slam dunk show, what do you think?"


It was a great Slam Dunk. Better add into the list of your Slam Dunks, Ahmed.

Just two good Muslims are enough to handle the entire FFI bunch of goons.

The best joke is that it had nothing to do with Maria. All the ladies lived within the same compound i.e., Hujraat.

The FFI goons and charlatans think as if Prophet had bought many apartments. lol!

Well done, Mastablaster. Good you thrashed Khalil well and trashed the junk of Khalil Fariel into the bin.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 08 May, 2009 2:16 am
Post subject: Re: HILARIOUS TESTIMONIES GALORE AT FFI'S WIKIISLAM
BMZ wrote:
Hello, all

This is one of the most hilarious false testimonies, written by FFI gang members.

Quote:
Moza (former Muslim)
From WikiIslam


The following is a testimony of someone leaving Islam. The testimony was originally posted at the FFI Forum.

Moza

Testimony of Leaving Islam

Dear friends, Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters
( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers, I will never knew about stupid islam without their fruitful posts. I have seen a lot of stupid posts of Ahmed, reletomb, muslim to death and other islamic goons.
( I got this name from them only )

I left islam coz once we went to Haji & I had a lot of bad experience there, the idiost coming to Haji was very much interested to touch myself & my cousin?????????????????????¢??s back instead of touching the stone. Iwas so shocedk to see all this, I cried a lot there. I was so involved in islamic prayers & its bloody stuff when I was a muslim

Through our house maid I came to know about Christianity, I used to watch when she prayed the way she prayed really touched my heart, when she prays to god she always prayes as though some one very close by is hearing her prayers, so many days I was thinking about this & I asked my mother about this and even she stared asking about christianity to our maid, she told us about the God Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ, from her point of view we started seeing Jesus Christ, it was a real wonderful feeling we both got and slowly I started reading bible & pray with her. I started reading bible a lot and I found so many good things there.

I compare Jesus with mo MAD. Jesus never kill any one, never hurt any one?????????????????????¢??s feelings, when people try to kill him he just went away from that place & he never asked his people to kill them, the judgment he gave to a prostitute when people try to stone her was a real eye opening thing of me. I cried when I read that chapter. I prayed & really I got a feeling that someone is hearing my prayers, I can?????????????????????¢??t understand Trinity but my maid also told me that even she is not believing Trinity but she believes God Jehovah & his Son Jesus Christ. She told me she is some Witness.. any way its not a problem for me now. I have wonderful God Jehovah & his son Jesus. Each and every day I am happy now & I never be so happy liken how I am now. Dear Muslim friends please please try to read bible once & ask yourself a question & compare Jesus with Momad. Sure you will understand the difference. How come God sent a good prophet like Jesus to this earth to Love one another and the same time how he sent an idiot after words to kill the same people. Funny right? Read New Testament bible again and again you will get the answers.

Moza


How hilarious can that be when this fake FFI goon wrote this? Looks like written by some Jesus freak at FFI. Rotflmao!

This was written by some FFI goon, who learnt the word goon from Ahmed and me. We were the first to introduce the word goon to FFI goons. I laughed my ass off when I read this fake Moza wrote that Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and other goons opened her eyes. Rotflmao.

Here at my home, our Filipino maid is about to give up Christianity.

We allowed her to go to church on Sundays but she refused. Looking at the family members praying at home, she was fascinated.

In fact she is pushing us to speed up her Shahada but we have asked her to read and learn more first. Being a born and practising Christian, she now tells us, "I do not believe that a man like Jesus can be a son of God and how can he be God? Why should God have a son? "

Salaams
BMZ

Link for the bullshit: [url=http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Moza_(former_Muslim)] CLICK[/url]


1. She is not Arabian because she cannot even say the word pilgrimage in Arabic correctly. It is Hajj, not "Haji".
2. She left Islam because of harassment in the pilgrimage? I find such an action (harassment in the pilgrimage) almost impossible to believe. Still that is not a reason for someone to abandon his religion.
3. Did she leave Islam because of her "bad experience" at "Haji" or because of FFI and its "masters"? She is contradicting herself.
4. Apparently she only knew about Christianity, Jehova and prayer through her housemaid after her "bad experience" at the "Haji'!
5. Jesus never hurt anyone's feelings? Perhaps you should read his exchange with the Canaanite woman when he humuiliated her and called her a dog before treating her daughter.
6. The poor soul does not even know that the story of Jesus and the prostitute is afake and was inserted in the Gosepl in the tenth century. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cK3Ry_icJo&feature=PlayList&p=D660A3207E6C4D2F&index=0
7. There is no comparison between Muhammad and Jesus because Jesus was a false Prophet and Messiah according to your own Bible. You can ask your master "Yazwee" about this. We are happy wiht our religion, and we know that the Quran is the Word of God.
8. Why only read the "New Testament bible"? What about the Old Testament? Is not it part of the Bible? Did not Jesus say that he came to "fulfill" it? Maybe your housemaid did not tell you about it.
- Fri 08 May, 2009 9:48 pm
Post subject:
Hey, Ahmed!

I can see the FFI goons talking to themselves and nodding to each other. lol!

Can you take a short break, have mercy on the kids and spare them for a few days?

lol!

BMZ
- Fri 08 May, 2009 11:59 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Hey, Ahmed!

I can see the FFI goons talking to themselves and nodding to each other. lol!

Can you take a short break, have mercy on the kids and spare them for a few days?

lol!

BMZ


Indeed mate, along with the traitor and fake muslim de-punk-er

I will indeed take a long break, not a short one

Take care mate
_________________
- Sat 09 May, 2009 3:29 pm
Post subject: A lying bigot's post on FFI
I read the Pervert KhaliL Fariel's following parts of his idiotic and defeatist post addressed to Fudgy on FFI and wonder if the man has any sanity left. I see no improvement in the life and the mind of Khalil after 'leaving' Islam. lol! Looks like he could not refute Fudgy and Mastablaster and came up with the nonsense and gibberish.

KhaliL Fariel wrote:
Hey Nabil,

Since when have you been reduced to the level of a cheerleader? The man whom you quoted has been spanked all over this forum still shamelessly he stays around to expose more of his shallow brain. And you become such a shameless Muslim to cheerlead such miserable case..??? Are these guys your idols..? Have you no life?


KhaliL keeps on forgetting that he and other FFI goons have already been thrashed and trashed at FFI by a few of us, right there in his own den. I have never seen such a shameless non-Muslim, who has become the idol of all FFI goons. Looks like he himself has no life but only time to write rubbish, junk and stuff.

KhaliL Fariel wrote:
I really feel pity for you pathetic boy; you deserve a lot better than this seventh century crap but unfortunately you have been infected with this virus way earlier for it to destroy the most vital organ in your body which is essential for thinking and reasoning. That is BRAIN.


The problem with this kid Khalil is that he has no brain at all in such a modern time and prefers to reamin in the gutter. Laughing

The conman and pervert goes on to write:

KhaliL Fariel wrote:
"Hey Nabail..., boy; as I told you earlier, I preserve some morals. I have taken oaths in many things like I will not lie, I will not cheat my wife and family, I will not have second, third, fourt wives because that will hurt my wife, and after all, I will NEVER have a slave-girl and bonk her; these are some of them.


Look who is talking! The man has no morals, no integrity, no decency and no patience at all. He lies through his teeth. He is already cheating his wife, parents and relatives by not telling them that he has left Islam
and that he writes bad about Islam at FFI. How dishonest and a cheat can such a man be, who writes under fake names and aliases.

He should start his campaign at home. Instead of acting like a bigot and hypocrite, cheating and lying to others, he should tell the truth to his own family. parents, brothers, sisters, relatives and friends, the dwellers who practise the 7th Century. Rotflmao!

I really feel pity for this sick and pervert mind and I hope he goes and screws up his own family, relatives and friends.

Simply put, another dishonest Closet Apostate.

BMZ
- Sun 10 May, 2009 6:32 pm
Post subject: Another Hilarious Post by A Hindu FFI Clown, a Cow & Stone Worshipper
I read the following post from the youngest Hindu poster at FFI.

First, the One-Verse Translation FFI Clowns cannot understand Arabic and they can't even read a section comprising of a few verses to understand. Rofl.

sunshine wrote:

Verses that cause laughter

Postby sunshine ????????????????????????????» Sat May 09, 2009 6:18 pm
whatever of good befalleth thee (oh man) it is from Allah, and whatever of ill befalleth thee it is from thyself
--4:79

Then we revived you (Moses) after extinction so that ye might give thanks

--2:54


if ye cometh close from a closet, or ye have had conduct with a women and if ye find not water then go the high ground and rub ye face and hands with dirt


--5:6


There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature on two wings, but they are people like you

---6:38

Those who deny what we hath revealed unto you (Mohammed) are like dogs.

--7:116



oh my people, this is the camel of Allah, a token unto you, touch her not with harm lest a near torment seize you
--11:64

And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever in the heaven as do the shadows in the morning and in the evening hours.
13:15


Ahmed,

I can understand the rest of her ignorance.

Can you check up with this FFI Hindu Clown, where did this goon, a she, get 7:116 from? Laughing Bold emphasis is mine.

BMZ
- Wed 13 May, 2009 10:34 pm
Post subject: The Baghdad Bob at FFI
Baghdad Bob wrote at FFI:and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone.



Ahmed wrote:
Baghdad Bob, from where the hell you got the above crap?

The Quran never said that it is clear for everyone, neither it said that the Muhkamat verses will be clear to evryone

I guess I know from where you got the above crap, from your wishful thinking kafir mind


The Quran said more than once that the Quran is going to be hard and impossile to understand for the kafirs, i.e. for the likes of you, consequently you need to dismiss your kafir arse and stop finding excuses for your Kufr, your silly appolgies are dismissed.


That was a good answer to the goon.

I am thinking to start a post on the one-liner goons of FFI, who quote single verses and show how idiotic they look when they discuss through various translations.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 26 May, 2009 4:23 pm
Post subject:
Read this response from Shindeiru to the MasterLiar, always been lying at FFI:

Quote:
by MastaBlaster ????????????????????????????» Tue May 26, 2009 12:57 am

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Do you need me to repeat the question again



what an abnormal sewer rascal. i originally told your flat white ass that mary is linked to aaron through faith and clan. then you ask why is she specifically called aaron's sis and not moses'. i tell its because of her priestly affiliation with aaron, not moses. then you bring back your flat embarassed ass after your boring question was answered, and try to deviate the smoke coming outta your burned flat white ass by telling me that i only originally claimed that she was aaron's sis in faith, which is false.

thats the summary of your failure that so often takes you to the FFI garbage can, rascal hahahaha stay in the dark where you belong and keep feeding on my hash cakes viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=40#p40236


Good answer.

BMZ
- Tue 26 May, 2009 4:30 pm
Post subject:
Saw this silly post at FFI. Even the Kafir freaks are so bored that no one answered:

Quote:

Koran 8:61....

Postby antineoETC ????????????????????????????» Fri May 22, 2009 10:42 am
Koran 8:61
And if they incline to peace, incline you also to it....

The above is often referred to by Muslims to demonstrate that Islam is a religion which not only permits fighting solely in self-defense but, if fighting has commenced, advocates peaceful resolution to conflict if an aggressive enemy displays a willingness to cease hostilities.

I contend that this is NOT the case and the line "if they incline to peace...." should be properly understood as "if the enemy inclines to peace ON ISLAM'S TERMS" ie shows a willingness to either embrace Islam or submit to Muslim rule as jizya-paying dhimmies.

Any Muslims care to take issue?

antineoETC


The poster is another one-verse quoter. lol! He does not read and understand that instructions have been given to Muslims to prepare themselves to defend and get strong. And if the other trouble-makers are inclined towards peace, the Muslims should show a response towards peace.

The best example is that of Iran, which has strengthened itself and is well-prepared to defend, if attacked. Countries, which were talking all the time to attack and invade Iran, are now silent and no more belligerent calls are being made.

So, Iran will incline towards peace, if they wish to show that they want peace.

Simple things which the FFI freaks and goons do not understand, simply because they never read the entire section.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 31 May, 2009 2:21 pm
Post subject: The Impostor at FFI
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2512&start=130

This guy is really hilarious. See how shamelessly he lies through his teeth and does not even know how to construct a translation.

Quote:
debunker: Is the following sentence correct?

اتخذوا فتاة يتيمة ولدا

"They took an orphan girl for WALAD"?

Be careful. Choose your answer wisely. If you answer NO WAY then you'll be conceding that you were lying all along and I'll consider this as an apology and I'll accept it.

If, on the other hand, you answer YES, then you'll just be doing the usual, lying shamelessly yet again.


Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 31 May, 2009 2:41 pm
Post subject: Re: The Impostor at FFI
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2512&start=130

This guy is really hilarious. See how shamelessly he lies through his teeth and does not even know how to construct a translation.

Quote:
debunker: Is the following sentence correct?

اتخذوا فتاة يتيمة ولدا

"They took an orphan girl for WALAD"?

Be careful. Choose your answer wisely. If you answer NO WAY then you'll be conceding that you were lying all along and I'll consider this as an apology and I'll accept it.

If, on the other hand, you answer YES, then you'll just be doing the usual, lying shamelessly yet again.


Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ


Salam mate

Yeh man, a clear cut jerk of a traitor he is, I just told him what you exactly said, that WALAD means a child not a son nor a daughter

Take care mate
- Sun 31 May, 2009 4:09 pm
Post subject: Re: The Impostor at FFI
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!

Created by whom?

You do realize Debunker has been debating against FFI members for months?

His very appearance in that thread was to defend the Koranic version of Mary and the Trinity.

BMZ wrote:
Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ

I take it he left the word Walad ambiguous as they were discussing whether it should be rendered as "child" or "son" when used in the singular.

Now, what does this verse mean?

وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا

-Sura Maryam verse 88
- Sun 31 May, 2009 5:37 pm
Post subject: Re: The Impostor at FFI
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Created by whom?


He clearly said, by the imposter and fake Muslim, dee-punker of FFI

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
You do realize Debunker has been debating against FFI members for months?

His very appearance in that thread was to defend the Koranic version of Mary and the Trinity.


What does it mean exactly?

that he cannot be wrong?

BMZ wrote:
Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
I take it he left the word Walad ambiguous as they were discussing whether it should be rendered as "child" or "son" when used in the singular.


Let me interfer in this as the subject was started all by myself. Well, if the Arabic word Walad is ambiguous then the English word Offspring (children) should be the same

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:

Now, what does this verse mean?

وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا

-Sura Maryam verse 88


And they said: Allah took a child


What is your point, sorry?
- Sun 31 May, 2009 7:54 pm
Post subject:
Salam all

It seems that my first slam dunk against the imposter dee-punker of FFI was not enough to convince him that he should shove himself in the nearest rubbish bin where he belongs, he is still arguing the meaning of the Arabic word WALD like any clear cut shameless biitch. Consequently I needed to mother slam dunk him, so let?????????????????????¢??s watch the next mother of all slams.

Here is what the imposter alleged on FFI:

debunker of FFI said:

the word is "walad". It can mean either boy, son or offspring depending on the context. If the word was "Ibn" then there's only one possible translation: son. But the word used was "walad".
----------------------------------

Now, I told such imposter, that he is wrong:

Ahmed said on FFI to the imposter:

the noun "walad", can only mean one thing, "Children", therefore the context has no effect and that was proven by the evidence provided by dee-pinky himself.
----------------------------------

Such evidence provided by the imposter even confirmed what I said, it was the first slam dunk he was hit with, let me bring it in here:

debunker of FFI said to Ahmed:
ok, wait you poor Arabic ignorant. I'll get you a few examples... time to search.

EDIT:
Ok, here's one link O, Arabic expert!

http://sirah.al-islam.com/Display.asp?f=rwd1012
سياقة النسب من ولد إسماعيل عليه السلام
----------------------------------

The imposter kept running like a biitch on FFI insulting me after I exposed his Arabic ignorance and lies as always, so let?????????????????????¢??s see how I slam dunked him, replying to his lies:

Ahmed slam dunked the imposter as follow:

See in the url he posted which is from an Arabic site, he posted the first sentence at the top:

سياقة النسب من ولد إسماعيل عليه السلام

The above means, sort of, searching the chain of relation from the CHILDREN of Ismael

However the freak dee-punker, wants it to mean, searching the chain of relation from the SONS of Ismael, and for him to con such job, he deliberately did not post the second line which clearly indicates that what they are about to discuss is ONLY THE SONS OF ISMAEL FROM AMONG ALL HIS CHILDREN , see the second line how they specified so:

أبناء إسماعيل عليه السلام , i.e. ABNAA Ismael peace be upon him, i.e. The SONS of Ismael peace be upon him

Then they started the story by saying:

ولد إسماعيل بن إبراهيم - عليهم السلام - اثني عشر رجلا, WALAD Ismael BIN Ibrahim (peace be upon them), 12 MEN, i.e. Isamel the SON of Ibrahim (peace be upon them), beget 12 MEN.

Here you have it, such article outline is as follow:

1) It is titled "chasing the chain of relation of the WALAD (CHILDREN) of Ismail
2) Then it specifically told us that, it will only chase the ABNAA (sons) out of those WALAD (Children)
3) Then it confirmed to us by telling us that Ismael begot 12 men, i.e. ABNAA, i.e. SONS

From the above evidence provided by dee-punky himself, we can conclude 100% that:

1) WALAD or AWLAD, means Children
2) IBN or BIN means SON
3) ABNAA or BANIN means SONS

What a slam:


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Now, let me put the final nail into his coffin and send dee-punker to the filthiest cemetery on the planet:

Remember what the imposter said regarding the word WALAD, sorry guys, let me bring it here again:

debunker of FFI said:

the word is "walad". It can mean either boy, son or offspring depending on the context. If the word was "Ibn" then there's only one possible translation: son. But the word used was "walad".
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I.e. for the imposter, the word WALAd can only mean any of the following:

1- Boy
2- Son
3- Offspring

As you can see, he totally missed the fact that the word WALAD can also refer to daughters, in fact the word WALAD is ambiguous i.e. it means it can mean a son or a daughter when used as singular, and it can mean both sons or a daughters if used as plural.

For example, if I want to refer to a boy in my children (explicitly) then I must use the word ?????????????????????¢??Son?????????????????????¢?? in English, or the word ?????????????????????¢??Ibn?????????????????????¢?? in Arabic, same with girls, if I want to refer to a girl in my children (explicitly) then I must use the word ?????????????????????¢??Daughter?????????????????????¢?? in English, or the word ?????????????????????¢??Bint?????????????????????¢?? in Arabic. Yet the imposter dee-punker claims that the word WALAD cannot be referring to daughters, so let me show you how the Arabic Quran exposes his ignorance fair and square:

Firstly, the Quran message in general is to warn anyone who alleges that Allah took a child, regardless the child being male or female:

And warn those who have said: Allah has taken a child.

[The Quran ; 18:4]

وينذر الذين قالوا اتخذ الله ولدا

-> See how the Quran is a warning to all those people who allege that Allah took a child: وينذر الذين قالوا اتخذ الله ولدا, Wa Yunzir Al-lazin Qalu Itakhaza Allah WALADA, And warn those who have said: Allah has taken a child. See, the Quran message is for all those people who claim that Allah took a child, if the word WALAD means son, then it is ok for the people to claim that Allah took daughters for Himself, therefore the word WALAD must mean CHILD regardless being male of female for the message of verse 18:4 to be directed at anyone who allege that Allah took a son or a daughter REGARDLESS of specifics.

This general message by using the word WALAD is confirmed in another verse:

And it is not appropriate for the Compassionate that He should take a child.

[The Quran ; 19:92]

وما ينبغي للرحمن ان يتخذ ولدا

-> See what is not appropriate for Allah: وما ينبغي للرحمن ان يتخذ ولدا, Wa Ma Yanbaghy Lil-Rahman An Yatakhiz WALADA, And it is not appropriate for the Compassionate that He should take a child. Again, if the word WALAD means son, then it is appropriate for Allah to take daughters for Himself, therefore the word WALAD must mean CHILD regardless being male of female for the message of verse 19:92 and 18:4 to be directed at anyone who allege that Allah took a son or a daughter REGARDLESS of specifics.

Secondly, Allah ordered Mohammed in one of his 100% true hadith to inform some people that Allah did not take a WALAD, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And say: Praise be to Allah, Who has not taken a child and there is not with Him a partner in the kingdom, and there is not to Him a guardian against disgrace; and magnify Him with (great) magnification.

[The Quran ; 17:111]

وقل الحمد لله الذي لم يتخذ ولدا ولم يكن له شريك في الملك ولم يكن له ولي من الذل وكبره تكبيرا

-> See: وقل الحمد لله الذي لم يتخذ ولدا , Wa Qul Alhamdlilah Al-lazi Lam Yatkhiz WALADA, i.e. And say: Praise be to Allah, Who has not taken a child . Now, we know well that the Christians in their corrupt religion allege that Allah took a son, so some confused Muslims think that the verse above is directed at those Christians. The matter of the fact remains intact, that by using the word WALAD, the verse above must apply to those who claim that Allah took a child regardless of the child sex, this is because the message of the Quran is general (as we have seen in 18:4 & 19:92) to all people who allege that Allah took a child, being a girl or a boy, it makes no difference.

The fact about our God that He does not take children (WALAD) for Himself is stated in another verse:

The One, to whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take a child, and there is not to Him a partner in the kingdom, and Who created everything, and measured it according to a measure.

[The Quran ; 25:2]

الذي له ملك السماوات والارض ولم يتخذ ولدا ولم يكن له شريك في الملك وخلق كل شئ فقدره تقديرا

-> See: و لم يتخذ ولدا , Wa Lam Yatkhiz WALADA, i.e. And He has not taken a child . i.e. the sex of the child makes no difference, the sin of claiming that Allah took a son, is the same sin as claiming that Allah took a daughter

Thirdly, there was also other people who alleged that Allah took the angels as WALAD, while at the same time they alleged that the angels are females, i.e. they alleged that Allah took daughters, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

26: And they said: The Compassionate has taken a child. Glory be to Him, rather they are honoured servants.

[The Quran ; 21:26]

26: وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا سبحانه بل عباد مكرمون

-> See how everything is clear it started to be, verse 21:26 is directed at the people who claimed that Allah took the angels as daughters, وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا سبحانه بل عباد مكرمون , Wa Qalu Itakhaza Al-Rahman WALADA Subhanahu Bal Ibad Mukramoon, And they said: The Compassionate has taken a child. Glory be to Him, rather they are honoured servants. See how the same word WALAD is used to refer to the angels who suppose to be females as the liars allege, such alleged feminine sex of the angels is explained in another verse, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

Then, has your Lord chosen for you sons, and taken from among the angels daughters? Indeed, you say a great saying.

[The Quran ; 17:40]

افاصفاكم ربكم بالبنين واتخذ من الملائكة اناثا انكم لتقولون قولا عظيما

-> See how it is getting clearer and clearer regarding the word WALAD, that is how the Quran explains itself and its words. In the above verse, Allah is talking explicitly cornering the liars who claim that Allah took a child, by telling them: افاصفاكم ربكم بالبنين واتخذ من الملائكة اناثا , Aafaasfakum Rabukum Bil BANIN Wa Itakhaza Min Al-Malaika INATHA, Then, has your Lord chosen for you sons, and taken from among the angels daughters? , i.e. the word WALAD covers sons and daughters, REGARDLESS

The fact about the word WALAD that it covers both sons and daughters, is confirmed in another verse using explicit words regarding sons and daughters, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

Or has He taken daughters to Himself of what He creates and chosen you to have sons?

[The Quran ; 43:16]

ام اتخذ مما يخلق بنات واصفاكم بالبنين

-> See how clear it is: ام اتخذ مما يخلق بنات واصفاكم بالبنين, Am Itakhaza Mimma Yakhliq BANAT Wa Asfakum Bil BANIN, Or has He taken daughters to Himself of what He creates and chosen you to have sons?

Therefore, all the verses we read earlier regarding the message of the Quran of warning those who claim that Allah took a WALAD, must apply to those who allege that Allah took the angels as daughters.

Again and again, the fact about the word WALAD is confirmed in another lot of verses, in which we read the word WALAD as a verb along with the explicit words for SONS and DAUGHTERS:

151: Surely it is due to their lie that they say:
152: Allah has begotten. And indeed, they are liars.
153: Has He chosen daughters over sons?

[The Quran ; 37:151-153]

151: الا انهم من افكهم ليقولون
152: ولد الله وانهم لكاذبون
153: اصطفي البنات علي البنين

, ,
-> See: Surely it is due to their lie that they say: . And here is what they say: ولد الله وانهم لكاذبون , WALAD Allah Wa Inahum La Kaziboon, i.e. Allah has begotten. And indeed, they are liars. then Allah used the same argument against those liars that He used in both 17:40 & 43:16 above: اصطفي البنات علي البنين , Istafa Al-BANAT Ala Al-BANIN, i.e. Has He chosen daughters over sons?

Here you have it, the Quran indeed said more about those who alleged that Allah took the angels as daughters for Himself, than what the Quran said about the Christians alleging that Allah took Jesus as a son, therefore the word WALAD applies to daughters equally as it does to sons

And that should send the imposter dee-punker to the rubbish bin where he will always belong.

Another mother of all slams:


- Sun 31 May, 2009 8:31 pm
Post subject: Re: The Impostor at FFI
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!

Created by whom?

You do realize Debunker has been debating against FFI members for months?

His very appearance in that thread was to defend the Koranic version of Mary and the Trinity.

BMZ wrote:
Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ

I take it he left the word Walad ambiguous as they were discussing whether it should be rendered as "child" or "son" when used in the singular.

Now, what does this verse mean?

وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا

-Sura Maryam verse 88


FFI is notoriously famous for creating posters pretending to be Muslims.
Each leading member has quite a few other nicks under which they write.

They do this when there is a dearth of genuine Muslim posters. Ali Sina does not do that but he is notoriously famous for writing and answering emails to himself.

That is what I meant by using the word created.

Ahmed has been kind enough to answer your post. I have endorsed his response to debunker, who keeps on debunking himself. The poster is a fake.

However, I would like to add the following in response to your question regarding the verse you quoted. Leaving aside the archaic "beget, begot/begat and begotten", it simply means "Has allah taken a son?"

Allah, the LORD God Almighty disdains that Christian claim. Naturally God did not give birth to a son like women did and still do.

Cheers
BMZ
- Sun 31 May, 2009 8:37 pm
Post subject: Re: The Impostor at FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Thanks for thrashing the FFI's own created impostor Debunker. lol!


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Created by whom?


He clearly said, by the imposter and fake Muslim, dee-punker of FFI

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
You do realize Debunker has been debating against FFI members for months?

His very appearance in that thread was to defend the Koranic version of Mary and the Trinity.


What does it mean exactly?

that he cannot be wrong?

BMZ wrote:
Look at his translation emboldened by me. lol! This is what the FFI freaks and goons do. The goon could have translated his own quote in Arabic, as: "They took an orphan girl as their child."

Salaams
BMZ


Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
I take it he left the word Walad ambiguous as they were discussing whether it should be rendered as "child" or "son" when used in the singular.


Let me interfer in this as the subject was started all by myself. Well, if the Arabic word Walad is ambiguous then the English word Offspring (children) should be the same

Aksel_Ankersen wrote:

Now, what does this verse mean?

وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا

-Sura Maryam verse 88


And they said: Allah took a child


What is your point, sorry?


Thanks, mate for the excellent translation.

"And they said: Allah took a child"

Please quote the goon debunker, the claim made by the Jews and reported in Qur'aan "Nahno abnaa'ullahe" and let him translate without the help of any ولد . lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 31 May, 2009 8:40 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam all

It seems that my first slam dunk against the imposter dee-punker of FFI was not enough to convince him that he should shove himself in the nearest rubbish bin where he belongs, he is still arguing the meaning of the Arabic word WALD like any clear cut shameless biitch. Consequently I needed to mother slam dunk him, so let?????????????????????¢??s watch the next mother of all slams.

Here is what the imposter alleged on FFI:

debunker of FFI said:

the word is "walad". It can mean either boy, son or offspring depending on the context. If the word was "Ibn" then there's only one possible translation: son. But the word used was "walad".
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Now, I told such imposter, that he is wrong:

Ahmed said on FFI to the imposter:

the noun "walad", can only mean one thing, "Children", therefore the context has no effect and that was proven by the evidence provided by dee-pinky himself.
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Such evidence provided by the imposter even confirmed what I said, it was the first slam dunk he was hit with, let me bring it in here:

debunker of FFI said to Ahmed:
ok, wait you poor Arabic ignorant. I'll get you a few examples... time to search.

EDIT:
Ok, here's one link O, Arabic expert!

http://sirah.al-islam.com/Display.asp?f=rwd1012
سياقة النسب من ولد إسماعيل عليه السلام
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The imposter kept running like a biitch on FFI insulting me after I exposed his Arabic ignorance and lies as always, so let?????????????????????¢??s see how I slam dunked him, replying to his lies:

Ahmed slam dunked the imposter as follow:

See in the url he posted which is from an Arabic site, he posted the first sentence at the top:

سياقة النسب من ولد إسماعيل عليه السلام

The above means, sort of, searching the chain of relation from the CHILDREN of Ismael

However the freak dee-punker, wants it to mean, searching the chain of relation from the SONS of Ismael, and for him to con such job, he deliberately did not post the second line which clearly indicates that what they are about to discuss is ONLY THE SONS OF ISMAEL FROM AMONG ALL HIS CHILDREN , see the second line how they specified so:

أبناء إسماعيل عليه السلام , i.e. ABNAA Ismael peace be upon him, i.e. The SONS of Ismael peace be upon him

Then they started the story by saying:

ولد إسماعيل بن إبراهيم - عليهم السلام - اثني عشر رجلا, WALAD Ismael BIN Ibrahim (peace be upon them), 12 MEN, i.e. Isamel the SON of Ibrahim (peace be upon them), beget 12 MEN.

Here you have it, such article outline is as follow:

1) It is titled "chasing the chain of relation of the WALAD (CHILDREN) of Ismail
2) Then it specifically told us that, it will only chase the ABNAA (sons) out of those WALAD (Children)
3) Then it confirmed to us by telling us that Ismael begot 12 men, i.e. ABNAA, i.e. SONS

From the above evidence provided by dee-punky himself, we can conclude 100% that:

1) WALAD or AWLAD, means Children
2) IBN or BIN means SON
3) ABNAA or BANIN means SONS

What a slam:


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Now, let me put the final nail into his coffin and send dee-punker to the filthiest cemetery on the planet:

Remember what the imposter said regarding the word WALAD, sorry guys, let me bring it here again:

debunker of FFI said:

the word is "walad". It can mean either boy, son or offspring depending on the context. If the word was "Ibn" then there's only one possible translation: son. But the word used was "walad".
----------------------------------

I.e. for the imposter, the word WALAd can only mean any of the following:

1- Boy
2- Son
3- Offspring

As you can see, he totally missed the fact that the word WALAD can also refer to daughters, in fact the word WALAD is ambiguous i.e. it means it can mean a son or a daughter when used as singular, and it can mean both sons or a daughters if used as plural.

For example, if I want to refer to a boy in my children (explicitly) then I must use the word ?????????????????????¢??Son?????????????????????¢?? in English, or the word ?????????????????????¢??Ibn?????????????????????¢?? in Arabic, same with girls, if I want to refer to a girl in my children (explicitly) then I must use the word ?????????????????????¢??Daughter?????????????????????¢?? in English, or the word ?????????????????????¢??Bint?????????????????????¢?? in Arabic. Yet the imposter dee-punker claims that the word WALAD cannot be referring to daughters, so let me show you how the Arabic Quran exposes his ignorance fair and square:

Firstly, the Quran message in general is to warn anyone who alleges that Allah took a child, regardless the child being male or female:

And warn those who have said: Allah has taken a child.

[The Quran ; 18:4]

وينذر الذين قالوا اتخذ الله ولدا

-> See how the Quran is a warning to all those people who allege that Allah took a child: وينذر الذين قالوا اتخذ الله ولدا, Wa Yunzir Al-lazin Qalu Itakhaza Allah WALADA, And warn those who have said: Allah has taken a child. See, the Quran message is for all those people who claim that Allah took a child, if the word WALAD means son, then it is ok for the people to claim that Allah took daughters for Himself, therefore the word WALAD must mean CHILD regardless being male of female for the message of verse 18:4 to be directed at anyone who allege that Allah took a son or a daughter REGARDLESS of specifics.

This general message by using the word WALAD is confirmed in another verse:

And it is not appropriate for the Compassionate that He should take a child.

[The Quran ; 19:92]

وما ينبغي للرحمن ان يتخذ ولدا

-> See what is not appropriate for Allah: وما ينبغي للرحمن ان يتخذ ولدا, Wa Ma Yanbaghy Lil-Rahman An Yatakhiz WALADA, And it is not appropriate for the Compassionate that He should take a child. Again, if the word WALAD means son, then it is appropriate for Allah to take daughters for Himself, therefore the word WALAD must mean CHILD regardless being male of female for the message of verse 19:92 and 18:4 to be directed at anyone who allege that Allah took a son or a daughter REGARDLESS of specifics.

Secondly, Allah ordered Mohammed in one of his 100% true hadith to inform some people that Allah did not take a WALAD, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

And say: Praise be to Allah, Who has not taken a child and there is not with Him a partner in the kingdom, and there is not to Him a guardian against disgrace; and magnify Him with (great) magnification.

[The Quran ; 17:111]

وقل الحمد لله الذي لم يتخذ ولدا ولم يكن له شريك في الملك ولم يكن له ولي من الذل وكبره تكبيرا

-> See: وقل الحمد لله الذي لم يتخذ ولدا , Wa Qul Alhamdlilah Al-lazi Lam Yatkhiz WALADA, i.e. And say: Praise be to Allah, Who has not taken a child . Now, we know well that the Christians in their corrupt religion allege that Allah took a son, so some confused Muslims think that the verse above is directed at those Christians. The matter of the fact remains intact, that by using the word WALAD, the verse above must apply to those who claim that Allah took a child regardless of the child sex, this is because the message of the Quran is general (as we have seen in 18:4 & 19:92) to all people who allege that Allah took a child, being a girl or a boy, it makes no difference.

The fact about our God that He does not take children (WALAD) for Himself is stated in another verse:

The One, to whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take a child, and there is not to Him a partner in the kingdom, and Who created everything, and measured it according to a measure.

[The Quran ; 25:2]

الذي له ملك السماوات والارض ولم يتخذ ولدا ولم يكن له شريك في الملك وخلق كل شئ فقدره تقديرا

-> See: و لم يتخذ ولدا , Wa Lam Yatkhiz WALADA, i.e. And He has not taken a child . i.e. the sex of the child makes no difference, the sin of claiming that Allah took a son, is the same sin as claiming that Allah took a daughter

Thirdly, there was also other people who alleged that Allah took the angels as WALAD, while at the same time they alleged that the angels are females, i.e. they alleged that Allah took daughters, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

26: And they said: The Compassionate has taken a child. Glory be to Him, rather they are honoured servants.

[The Quran ; 21:26]

26: وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا سبحانه بل عباد مكرمون

-> See how everything is clear it started to be, verse 21:26 is directed at the people who claimed that Allah took the angels as daughters, وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا سبحانه بل عباد مكرمون , Wa Qalu Itakhaza Al-Rahman WALADA Subhanahu Bal Ibad Mukramoon, And they said: The Compassionate has taken a child. Glory be to Him, rather they are honoured servants. See how the same word WALAD is used to refer to the angels who suppose to be females as the liars allege, such alleged feminine sex of the angels is explained in another verse, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

Then, has your Lord chosen for you sons, and taken from among the angels daughters? Indeed, you say a great saying.

[The Quran ; 17:40]

افاصفاكم ربكم بالبنين واتخذ من الملائكة اناثا انكم لتقولون قولا عظيما

-> See how it is getting clearer and clearer regarding the word WALAD, that is how the Quran explains itself and its words. In the above verse, Allah is talking explicitly cornering the liars who claim that Allah took a child, by telling them: افاصفاكم ربكم بالبنين واتخذ من الملائكة اناثا , Aafaasfakum Rabukum Bil BANIN Wa Itakhaza Min Al-Malaika INATHA, Then, has your Lord chosen for you sons, and taken from among the angels daughters? , i.e. the word WALAD covers sons and daughters, REGARDLESS

The fact about the word WALAD that it covers both sons and daughters, is confirmed in another verse using explicit words regarding sons and daughters, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:

Or has He taken daughters to Himself of what He creates and chosen you to have sons?

[The Quran ; 43:16]

ام اتخذ مما يخلق بنات واصفاكم بالبنين

-> See how clear it is: ام اتخذ مما يخلق بنات واصفاكم بالبنين, Am Itakhaza Mimma Yakhliq BANAT Wa Asfakum Bil BANIN, Or has He taken daughters to Himself of what He creates and chosen you to have sons?

Therefore, all the verses we read earlier regarding the message of the Quran of warning those who claim that Allah took a WALAD, must apply to those who allege that Allah took the angels as daughters.

Again and again, the fact about the word WALAD is confirmed in another lot of verses, in which we read the word WALAD as a verb along with the explicit words for SONS and DAUGHTERS:

151: Surely it is due to their lie that they say:
152: Allah has begotten. And indeed, they are liars.
153: Has He chosen daughters over sons?

[The Quran ; 37:151-153]

151: الا انهم من افكهم ليقولون
152: ولد الله وانهم لكاذبون
153: اصطفي البنات علي البنين

, ,
-> See: Surely it is due to their lie that they say: . And here is what they say: ولد الله وانهم لكاذبون , WALAD Allah Wa Inahum La Kaziboon, i.e. Allah has begotten. And indeed, they are liars. then Allah used the same argument against those liars that He used in both 17:40 & 43:16 above: اصطفي البنات علي البنين , Istafa Al-BANAT Ala Al-BANIN, i.e. Has He chosen daughters over sons?

Here you have it, the Quran indeed said more about those who alleged that Allah took the angels as daughters for Himself, than what the Quran said about the Christians alleging that Allah took Jesus as a son, therefore the word WALAD applies to daughters equally as it does to sons

And that should send the imposter dee-punker to the rubbish bin where he will always belong.

Another mother of all slams:



Sorry, I had not read this mother of the ولد slams. Well done, mate.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 01 Jun, 2009 3:43 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

An Appeal

I read this at FFI from debunker
Quote:

Re: Mary and the Trinity

Postby debunker ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:19 am
Bahgat said to MBL:

what an ugly filthy sharmoot of an arse licker kafir bound to hell you are

I have answered his stupid question you tard, stop deluding yourself or you will be life dismissed



When I first read this I didn't notice the underlined threat. But then when I read it again, my eyes widened and I rushed to check Bahgat's life dismissal list:
http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?n ... opic&t=772

And to my shock, I noticed that MBL was not one of Bahgat's virtual reality inmates!!!

Why, Bahgat?! Why?! Why do you think MBL doesn't deserve your punishment while I do?! I also noticed that you freed Sky! Oh, I beg you dear Bahgat, let me out, please, please! Crying or Very sad


Then I read this from the HinduArthi's response to fudgy:
Quote:

Re: Mary and the Trinity

Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:47 am

fudgy wrote:The God in the OT has more or less the same tone, voice, characteristics, etc. I don't know about the NT.

skynightblaze wrote: You dumb answer my post if you can. I have exposed your so called holy book.It accuses other scriptures of corruption and yet itself supports them. Keep solving the fucked up errors made by your fake prophet.


If you have let out this warped Hindu scumbag from your Life Dismissal List of FFI goons and freaks, the arthi should be put back in, so that our silent international readers, which include FFI goons and freaks also, can know about this fucked up Hindu freak from India, who has nothing to do but keeps on pouring out his verbal diarrhoea at FFI.

I recommend that debunker be released on parole after tagging him. I think it is not fair to let out a monster and barbaric young immature freak.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 1:27 am
Post subject:
Hey bro BMZ

Here is gem of a comment that I just posted to the goons on FFI:

Hey arrogant goons bound to hell

I am currently translating the Quran, I reached the following verse, which clearly talks about the filthy kafirs like you, let's have a look, then give me the pleasure to walk you through it:

And those who argue concerning Allah after He has been answered to (by others), their argument is nullified with their Lord, and upon them is anger, and for them is a severe torture.

[Al Quran ; 42:16]

وَالَّذِينَ يُحَاجُّونَ فِي اللَّهِ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا اسْتُجِيبَ لَهُ حُجَّتُهُمْ دَاحِضَةٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَعَلَيْهِمْ غَضَبٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ (16)


-> See goons, I always wonder, why the filthy kafirs of FFI are so itchy about those who have believed, why fukin not, live and let others live?, well, as you know that I always describe such lowest of the lows on FFI as ITCHY, the verse above is actually telling us about such ITCH and it also tell us what will be the reward for those ITCHY kafirs, let me walk you through:

-> The verse starts by telling us about those lowest of the lows of the kafirs, like the many goons on FFI, for example, sky, mental, yeakee, ugly, trojan donkey, ygang, chicken and so many filthy retarded freaks, the list just goes on and on, see: And those who argue concerning Allah, i.e. unquestionably, 42:16 is talking about such freaks, now what we will read next is what I told you about, the ITCH syndrome from which those filthy kafirs suffer, see: after He has been answered to (by others), wow, what an accuracy, so those lowest of the lows of the freaks argue with those who responded to and answered the message of Allah, what you guys call that?, well I call it ITCH, you filthy and itchy punks and hos, now here is the good news for you, ITCHY freaks, your Tom, Jerry and Barbie arguments will be nullified on the JD, see: their argument is nullified with their Lord, sort of your argument will be Dismissed, hahah, can't wait for that day, any way, let's see your reward and your achievement THEN: and upon them is anger, and for them is a severe torture., what an achievement you bunch of itchy losers, it deserves that every one on Cyber world give you a round of applause but by using their dirty feet:

FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP


Cheers
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 1:37 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey bro BMZ

Here is gem of a comment that I just posted to the goons on FFI:

Hey arrogant goons bound to hell

I am currently translating the Quran, I reached the following verse, which clearly talks about the filthy kafirs like you, let's have a look, then give me the pleasure to walk you through it:

And those who argue concerning Allah after He has been answered to (by others), their argument is nullified with their Lord, and upon them is anger, and for them is a severe torture.

[Al Quran ; 42:16]

وَالَّذِينَ يُحَاجُّونَ فِي اللَّهِ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا اسْتُجِيبَ لَهُ حُجَّتُهُمْ دَاحِضَةٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَعَلَيْهِمْ غَضَبٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ (16)


-> See goons, I always wonder, why the filthy kafirs of FFI are so itchy about those who have believed, why fukin not, live and let others live?, well, as you know that I always describe such lowest of the lows on FFI as ITCHY, the verse above is actually telling us about such ITCH and it also tell us what will be the reward for those ITCHY kafirs, let me walk you through:

-> The verse starts by telling us about those lowest of the lows of the kafirs, like the many goons on FFI, for example, sky, mental, yeakee, ugly, trojan donkey, ygang, chicken and so many filthy retarded freaks, the list just goes on and on, see: And those who argue concerning Allah, i.e. unquestionably, 42:16 is talking about such freaks, now what we will read next is what I told you about, the ITCH syndrome from which those filthy kafirs suffer, see: after He has been answered to (by others), wow, what an accuracy, so those lowest of the lows of the freaks argue with those who responded to and answered the message of Allah, what you guys call that?, well I call it ITCH, you filthy and itchy punks and hos, now here is the good news for you, ITCHY freaks, your Tom, Jerry and Barbie arguments will be nullified on the JD, see: their argument is nullified with their Lord, sort of your argument will be Dismissed, hahah, can't wait for that day, any way, let's see your reward and your achievement THEN: and upon them is anger, and for them is a severe torture., what an achievement you bunch of itchy losers, it deserves that every one on Cyber world give you a round of applause but by using their dirty feet:

FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP


Cheers


Hello, Ahmed

You hit right on the button, mate. That verse also condemns and damns not only the Kafir freaks but also the ex-Muslims too. You qualified well within caps.

The freaks would pretend not to understand but the message is clear. lol!

The email message system is working well.

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 1:46 am
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

Man, it is so good to have you there at the freaks' site FFI. I just read this from you and I am glad you blasted the goon who writes a translation of the verses and calls it written in Arabic.

Quote:

Re: The "Sura Like It" Challenge (just for fun)

Postby AhmedBahgat ????????????????????????????» Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:40 am

Natassia wrote:[Pickthal 2:23] And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful.

Ahmed wrote:Idiot, the above suras you forged, are not in Arabic

are you that dumb or somethin?

stop deluding yourself you fool, you need to meet all the criteria before you claim your crap, yet you met not even a single one, obvioulsy you know that you are full of shit, by admiting that what you brought is nothing but fun, i.e. you are not serious, rather a confused kafir who is in the process of securing your grave in hell


I count such freaks among asfalaa-saafileen, mate.

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 1:51 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
I count such freaks among asfalaa-saafileen, mate.

Salaams
BMZ



Exactly mate, that is why I call them 'the Lowest of the Lows', which is the exact translation to the above Arabic words you wrote using English letters
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 2:52 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I count such freaks among asfalaa-saafileen, mate.

Salaams
BMZ



Exactly mate, that is why I call them 'the Lowest of the Lows', which is the exact translation to the above Arabic words you wrote using English letters


Yes, you are right. And you will be surprised to know that in the ancient Hebrew text, the word serpent was actually similar to asfalaa saafileen, the lowest of the low and that is how it was translated to serpent in a silly way for Satan, despised as the lowest of the low and how low could he go . lol!

Take care, mate

Salaams & good night
BMZ
- Wed 03 Jun, 2009 8:23 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

It is quite common to see FFI goons quoting a verse or a one-liner. We have repeatedly clarified and told the goons and freaks to try to read and understand the sections and topics.

Anyway, I read this from an FFI goon, known as expozIslam, in the Qur'aan & Hadith topics:

Quote:

Re: who said this? Sura 002.163

Postby expozIslam ????????????????????????????» Fri May 22, 2009 9:03 am
Where are the Quran only muslims? Can someone QOM tell me who is speaking in this verse? Allah or Mohammad or doesn't matter because both represent the same person.


Could you please tell the goon that Muhammad is not the one who speaks in Qur'aan. Instead he is told by Allah through Gabriel, what to say. Could you at the same time, tell all the FFI goons that for the first few hundred years, Muslims have been only QO Muslims and still are.
Prophet, his companions and all others were Qur'aan only Muslims.

Can't these FFI goons understand simple verses?

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 04 Jun, 2009 2:19 pm
Post subject:
I read this response to Rama's lingam skynightblaze at FFI from a Jesus freak LCD:

Quote:

Re: Did Abraham Build the Kaba?

Postby LCD ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:26 am

skynightblaze wrote:[002:125]

Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

LCD wrote:I wonder who did this translation, it's probably NEW, cause look at them trying to make a verb with Covenant.

I bet the Word Coventant isn't in the origional at all.

Lie and a half covenant.


The best joke is that God made no covenant with Jesus or the Christians in the Bible. lol!

The goon should look at the verse and see the Arabic highlighted in blue, which shows a promise or covenant within the verse.

Quote:

وَإِذْ جَعَلْنَا الْبَيْتَ مَثَابَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَمْناً وَاتَّخِذُواْ مِن مَّقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى وَعَهِدْنَا إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ أَن طَهِّرَا بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْعَاكِفِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ


BMZ
- Thu 04 Jun, 2009 11:20 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
An Appeal

debunker wrote:
When I first read this I didn't notice the underlined threat. But then when I read it again, my eyes widened and I rushed to check Bahgat's life dismissal list:
http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?n ... opic&t=772

And to my shock, I noticed that MBL was not one of Bahgat's virtual reality inmates!!!

Why, Bahgat?! Why?! Why do you think MBL doesn't deserve your punishment while I do?! I also noticed that you freed Sky! Oh, I beg you dear Bahgat, let me out, please, please! Crying or Very sad


I recommend that debunker be released on parole after tagging him.

Duhhhhhhhhhh..... Debunker was being sarcastic, genius.

Do you honestly think it matters to anyone if they are on Ahmed Bahgat's list? I can't believe I'm watching you plead for some members to be on it and others removed as if being on AB's list could have the remotest effect on them in real life.

The only person at FFI stupid enough to care about this was myself, I admit with some shame, a few months ago.

BMZ wrote:
If you have let out this warped Hindu scumbag from your Life Dismissal List of FFI goons and freaks, the arthi should be put back in, so that our silent international readers, which include FFI goons and freaks also, can know about this fucked up Hindu freak from India, who has nothing to do but keeps on pouring out his verbal diarrhoea at FFI.

...Rama's lingam skynightblaze...

When is it going to get through your head that skynightblaze is an Indian atheist?

You're no better than a white racist who thinks every Arab/Middle East type is a Muslim, potentially a terrorist.

BMZ wrote:
The point is that all the ex-Muslims, after leaving Islam, have lost sense of reasoning, politeness, manners, decencies, courtesy and all cherished values imparted by Islam, and have become the vilest of all creatures, asfala saafileen (lowest of the low).

Devoid of politeness, manners, and decency... Unlike you, on your racist soapbox and constantly using profanity.
- Thu 04 Jun, 2009 11:27 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

It is quite common to see FFI goons quoting a verse or a one-liner. We have repeatedly clarified and told the goons and freaks to try to read and understand the sections and topics.

Like your argument for Muhammad's prophecy predicted in the Bible, based solely on Deuteronomy 18:18.

If you read the preceding verses you will see the Prophet must be from the Israelites:

"You will go in and take the land from nations that practice magic and witchcraft. But the LORD your God won't allow you to do those things.

Instead, he will choose one of your own people to be a prophet just like me, and you must do what that prophet says.

You were asking for a prophet the day you were gathered at Mount Sinai and said to the LORD, " Please don't let us hear your voice or see this terrible fire again--if we do, we will die!"

Then the LORD told me: Moses, they have said the right thing.

So when I want to speak to them, I will choose one of them to be a prophet like you. I will give my message to that prophet, who will tell the people exactly what I have said."


-Deut 18:14-18
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 12:18 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I count such freaks among asfalaa-saafileen, mate.

Salaams
BMZ



Exactly mate, that is why I call them 'the Lowest of the Lows', which is the exact translation to the above Arabic words you wrote using English letters


Yes, you are right. And you will be surprised to know that in the ancient Hebrew text, the word serpent was actually similar to asfalaa saafileen, the lowest of the low and that is how it was translated to serpent in a silly way for Satan, despised as the lowest of the low and how low could he go . lol!

The Hebrew word for serpent, as in the Biblical serpent in the garden of Eden is "Nachash" (נָחָשׁ), sometimes a serpent is called "seraph" (שרף) in reference to it's bite causing burning pain - like the fiery Seraphim...

The only word meaning anything like Arabic "safil" used for The Serpent is "Natash" (נתש) Except the meaning of this is outcast, abandoned, or forsaken... not lowest.
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 12:13 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:

Regarding Deut 18:18, even a fraction of it does not apply to Jesus. Jesus fails the Deut 18:18 litmus test, if you know what I mean and in fact the Jews rejected him because he did not fit the Deut 18:18 bill, reprodued below from the Jewish Scripture:

Quote:
15. A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the Lord, your God will set up for you you shall hearken to him. טו. נָבִיא מִקִּרְבְּךָ מֵאַחֶיךָ כָּמֹנִי יָקִים לְךָ יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֵלָיו תִּשְׁמָעוּן:
16. According to all that you asked of the Lord, your God, in Horeb, on the day of the assembly, saying, "Let me not continue to hear the voice of the Lord, my God, and let me no longer see this great fire, so that I will not die." טז. כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר שָׁאַלְתָּ מֵעִם יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בְּחֹרֵב בְּיוֹם הַקָּהָל לֵאמֹר לֹא אֹסֵף לִשְׁמֹעַ אֶת קוֹל יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהָי וְאֶת הָאֵשׁ הַגְּדֹלָה הַזֹּאת לֹא אֶרְאֶה עוֹד וְלֹא אָמוּת:
17. And the Lord said to me, "They have done well in what they have spoken. יז. וַיֹּאמֶר יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֵלָי הֵיטִיבוּ אֲשֶׁר דִּבֵּרוּ:
18. I will set up a prophet for them from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. יח. נָבִיא אָקִים לָהֶם מִקֶּרֶב אֲחֵיהֶם כָּמוֹךָ וְנָתַתִּי דְבָרַי בְּפִיו וְדִבֶּר אֲלֵיהֶם אֵת כָּל אֲשֶׁר אֲצַוֶּנּוּ:
19. And it will be, that whoever does not hearken to My words that he speaks in My name, I will exact [it] of him. יט. וְהָיָה הָאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר לֹא יִשְׁמַע אֶל דְּבָרַי אֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בִּשְׁמִי אָנֹכִי אֶדְרֹשׁ מֵעִמּוֹ:
20. But the prophet who intentionally speaks a word in My name, which I did not command him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. כ. אַךְ הַנָּבִיא אֲשֶׁר יָזִיד לְדַבֵּר דָּבָר בִּשְׁמִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוִּיתִיו לְדַבֵּר וַאֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בְּשֵׁם אֱ־לֹהִים אֲחֵרִים וּמֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא:
21. Now if you say to yourself, "How will we know the word that the Lord did not speak?" כא. וְכִי תֹאמַר בִּלְבָבֶךָ אֵיכָה נֵדַע אֶת הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר לֹא דִבְּרוֹ יְ־הֹוָ־ה:
22. If the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not occur and does not come about, that is the thing the Lord did not speak. The prophet has spoken it wantonly; you shall not be afraid of him.


It is a copy and paste, so pardon me if it does not turn up well and see for yourself that it does not fit Jesus at all.

Even the Jewish scripture has been forged repeatedly. Also note that the entire NT, OT and the Jewish Tanakh are not the Injeel and the Torah at all.

BMZ

So, if Jesus fails the Deuteronomy 18:18 test... Therefore Muhammad passes it?

YHWH said to the Israelites: "A prophet from among you"


Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.

However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.

BMZ
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:16 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.

Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?

I understand why you attack sky personally. He is attacking your beliefs after all. But why do you blame it on him being a Hindu after he's expressly stated he's not a Hindu?

You apparently don't want to believe this, because someone evil enough to speak against Islam must be a Yahudi, or a Hinduvata extremist, or a fanatical Evangelical.

I have been attacked on the internet and off by many people, but I have never responded by insulting their race, or their parents, or their religion.

BMZ wrote:
In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?

Yeah, why not:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1811&start=10#p27256

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2287&start=0#p37685


Thanks for writing a little bit in support of Arabs.

I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.

If you like, I can point out a few posts from the scumbag and you go and criticise him.

I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right? Why did you feel hurt? What was so bad about that? And note that I did not use filthy language.

That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.

You can attack me personally. No problem there. I will remain cool. However, I will retaliate using your style, if you do that.

I attack Christianity, it's incoherence and absurdity on various forums but I skin any mule, who is intolerant of Islam and writes filth.

Short and simple. skynightblaze and many others on FFI are racist bigots, hypocrites and filthy liars, full of hate against Islam and the Muslims.
I reserve the right to attack such filthy freaks, so let them come and write. Do not act on their or skynightblaze's behalf. Man is known by the company he keeps. lol!

However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.

Cheers
BMZ
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:50 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.

Now that I look again I see some of his posts were OTT.

K. I will have a word with him.

BMZ wrote:
I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right?

No, but it made me angry.

The first time I simply said: "I never spelled the name of Muhammad or Allah disrespectfully and it reflects badly on you to stoop to this"

When you kept on referring to us as Zorats I lost my temper. Zoroastrians are not rats.

BMZ wrote:
That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.

Yes, but this doesn't explain why you respond by insulting the racial or cultural group they identify with. Did I dehumanize Muslims or Arabs ever?

I have always said of myself that I am a very flawed Zoroastrian and the least representative of them. If you had just said: "Aksel, you are a filthy lying retard" I wouldn't have cared all that much.

BMZ wrote:
However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.

Cheers
BMZ

Yes, you too BMZ, I may have been unfair to you.

This kind of internet activism brings out the worst in people.
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:59 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.

However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.

BMZ

The Israelites were descended through Isaac, by way of his son Jacob. If the Biblical God adresses the Israelites and says "a prophet from among you" he cannot mean a descendant of Ishmael.

You would need to reject both the Biblical and Islamic genealogies to understand Israelites as descendents of Ishmael.
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 4:10 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.

However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.

BMZ

The Israelites were descended through Isaac, by way of his son Jacob. If the Biblical God adresses the Israelites and says "a prophet from among you" he cannot mean a descendant of Ishmael.

You would need to reject both the Biblical and Islamic genealogies to understand Israelites as descendents of Ishmael.


I do not really go into genealogies. I just mentioned that point because Abraham had two sons and being from his own loins, they were his sons, his own flesh and blood, regardless of the two ladies.

Cheers
Baig
- Fri 05 Jun, 2009 4:15 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.

Now that I look again I see some of his posts were OTT.

K. I will have a word with him.

BMZ wrote:
I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right?

No, but it made me angry.

The first time I simply said: "I never spelled the name of Muhammad or Allah disrespectfully and it reflects badly on you to stoop to this"

When you kept on referring to us as Zorats I lost my temper. Zoroastrians are not rats.

BMZ wrote:
That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.

Yes, but this doesn't explain why you respond by insulting the racial or cultural group they identify with. Did I dehumanize Muslims or Arabs ever?

I have always said of myself that I am a very flawed Zoroastrian and the least representative of them. If you had just said: "Aksel, you are a filthy lying retard" I wouldn't have cared all that much.

BMZ wrote:
However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.

Cheers
BMZ

Yes, you too BMZ, I may have been unfair to you.

This kind of internet activism brings out the worst in people.


Just to clarify that I never intended that word to mean rats at all.
I just coined it for a particular exchange. Forget that, please.

Did you like Obama's speech? I really liked it. It is the first time that an American President was honest and frank in speaking the truth after more than half a century.

Cheers
BMZ
- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 12:50 pm
Post subject: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!

FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.

I will comment later.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2603

The Speech

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The following is the full text of US President Barack Obama's speech in Cairo:

I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo, and to be hosted by two remarkable institutions. For over a thousand years, al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt's advancement. Together, you represent the harmony between tradition and progress. I am grateful for your hospitality, and the hospitality of the people of Egypt. I am also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people, and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country: assalaamu alaykum.

We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world - tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the west includes centuries of co-existence and co-operation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a cold war in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the west as hostile to the traditions of Islam.

Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and western countries, but also to human rights. This has bred more fear and mistrust.

So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, and who promote conflict rather than the co-operation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity. This cycle of suspicion and discord must end.

I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight. No single speech can eradicate years of mistrust, nor can I answer in the time that I have all the complex questions that brought us to this point. But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly the things we hold in our hearts, and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground. As the Holy Koran tells us:

"Be conscious of God and speak always the truth."

That is what I will try to do - to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.

Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan [the Muslim call to prayer] at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.

As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote:

"The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."

And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our founding fathers - Thomas Jefferson - kept in his personal library.

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words - within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum -

"Out of many, one."

Much has been made of the fact that an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected president. But my personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to our shores - that includes nearly 7 million American Muslims in our country today who enjoy incomes and education that are higher than average.

Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the US government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.

So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations - to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.

Of course, recognizing our common humanity is only the beginning of our task. Words alone cannot meet the needs of our people. These needs will be met only if we act boldly in the years ahead; and if we understand that the challenges we face are shared, and our failure to meet them will hurt us all.

For we have learned from recent experience that when a financial system weakens in one country, prosperity is hurt everywhere. When a new flu infects one human being, all are at risk. When one nation pursues a nuclear weapon, the risk of nuclear attack rises for all nations. When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean. And when innocents in Bosnia and Darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience. That is what it means to share this world in the 21st century. That is the responsibility we have to one another as human beings.

This is a difficult responsibility to embrace. For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. So whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners of it. Our problems must be dealt with through partnership; progress must be shared.

That does not mean we should ignore sources of tension. Indeed, it suggests the opposite: we must face these tensions squarely. And so in that spirit, let me speak as clearly and plainly as I can about some specific issues that I believe we must finally confront together.

The first issue that we have to confront is violent extremism in all of its forms.

In Ankara, I made clear that America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security. Because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as president to protect the American people.

The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America's goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al-Qaida and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al-Qaida killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al-Qaida chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

Make no mistake: we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict. We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case.

That's why we're partnering with a coalition of 46 countries. And despite the costs involved, America's commitment will not weaken. Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths - more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam. The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. The enduring faith of over a billion people is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few. Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism - it is an important part of promoting peace.

We also know that military power alone is not going to solve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is why we plan to invest $1.5bn (????????????????????????????£914m) each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses, and hundreds of millions to help those who have been displaced. And that is why we are providing more than $2.8bn to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon.

Let me also address the issue of Iraq. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said:

"I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."

Today, America has a dual responsibility: to help Iraq forge a better future - and to leave Iraq to Iraqis. I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no bases, and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq's sovereignty is its own. That is why I ordered the removal of our combat brigades by next August. That is why we will honor our agreement with Iraq's democratically elected government to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by July, and to remove all our troops from Iraq by 2012. We will help Iraq train its security forces and develop its economy. But we will support a secure and united Iraq as a partner, and never as a patron.

And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guant????????????????????????????¡namo Bay closed by early next year.

So America will defend itself, respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer.

The second major source of tension that we need to discuss is the situation between Israelis, Palestinians and the Arab world.

America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and antisemitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations - large and small - that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.

For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It is easy to point fingers - for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought by Israel's founding and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.

That is in Israel's interest, Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest. That is why I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires. The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the road map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them - and all of us - to live up to our responsibilities.

Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered.

Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.

At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.

Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress.

Finally, the Arab states must recognize that the Arab Peace Initiative was an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities. The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. Instead, it must be a cause for action to help the Palestinian people develop the institutions that will sustain their state; to recognize Israel's legitimacy; and to choose progress over a self-defeating focus on the past.

America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs. We cannot impose peace. But privately, many Muslims recognize that Israel will not go away. Likewise, many Israelis recognize the need for a Palestinian state. It is time for us to act on what everyone knows to be true.

Too many tears have flowed. Too much blood has been shed. All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed (peace be upon them) joined in prayer.

The third source of tension is our shared interest in the rights and responsibilities of nations on nuclear weapons.

This issue has been a source of tension between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran. For many years, Iran has defined itself in part by its opposition to my country, and there is indeed a tumultuous history between us. In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against US troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I have made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward. The question, now, is not what Iran is against, but rather what future it wants to build.

It will be hard to overcome decades of mistrust, but we will proceed with courage, rectitude and resolve. There will be many issues to discuss between our two countries, and we are willing to move forward without preconditions on the basis of mutual respect. But it is clear to all concerned that when it comes to nuclear weapons, we have reached a decisive point. This is not simply about America's interests. It is about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that could lead this region and the world down a hugely dangerous path.

I understand those who protest that some countries have weapons that others do not. No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons. That is why I strongly reaffirmed America's commitment to seek a world in which no nations hold nuclear weapons. And any nation - including Iran - should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. That commitment is at the core of the treaty, and it must be kept for all who fully abide by it. And I am hopeful that all countries in the region can share in this goal.

The fourth issue that I will address is democracy.

I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.

That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.

There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments - provided they govern with respect for all their people.

This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. No matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who hold power: you must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.

The fifth issue that we must address together is religious freedom.

Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. I saw it first-hand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshipped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. That is the spirit we need today. People in every country should be free to choose and live their faith based upon the persuasion of the mind, heart, and soul. This tolerance is essential for religion to thrive, but it is being challenged in many different ways.

Among some Muslims, there is a disturbing tendency to measure one's own faith by the rejection of another's. The richness of religious diversity must be upheld - whether it is for Maronites in Lebanon or the Copts in Egypt. And fault lines must be closed among Muslims as well, as the divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence, particularly in Iraq.

Freedom of religion is central to the ability of peoples to live together. We must always examine the ways in which we protect it. For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation. That is why I am committed to working with American Muslims to ensure that they can fulfil zakat.

Likewise, it is important for western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit- for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear. We cannot disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretense of liberalism.

Indeed, faith should bring us together. That is why we are forging service projects in America that bring together Christians, Muslims, and Jews. That is why we welcome efforts like Saudi Arabian King Abdullah's Interfaith dialogue and Turkey's leadership in the Alliance of Civilizations. Around the world, we can turn dialogue into interfaith service, so bridges between peoples lead to action- whether it is combating malaria in Africa, or providing relief after a natural disaster.

The sixth issue that I want to address is women's rights.

I know there is debate about this issue. I reject the view of some in the west that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well-educated are far more likely to be prosperous.

Now let me be clear: issues of women's equality are by no means simply an issue for Islam. In Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia, we have seen Muslim-majority countries elect a woman to lead. Meanwhile, the struggle for women's equality continues in many aspects of American life, and in countries around the world.

Our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity - men and women - to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. That is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams.

Finally, I want to discuss economic development and opportunity.

I know that for many, the face of globalization is contradictory. The internet and television can bring knowledge and information, but also offensive sexuality and mindless violence. Trade can bring new wealth and opportunities, but also huge disruptions and changing communities. In all nations - including my own - this change can bring fear. Fear that because of modernity we will lose of control over our economic choices, our politics, and most importantly our identities - those things we most cherish about our communities, our families, our traditions, and our faith.

But I also know that human progress cannot be denied. There need not be contradiction between development and tradition. Countries like Japan and South Korea grew their economies while maintaining distinct cultures. The same is true for the astonishing progress within Muslim-majority countries from Kuala Lumpur to Dubai. In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.

This is important because no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground, nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work. Many Gulf States have enjoyed great wealth as a consequence of oil, and some are beginning to focus it on broader development. But all of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the 21st century, and in too many Muslim communities there remains underinvestment in these areas. I am emphasizing such investments within my country. And while America in the past has focused on oil and gas in this part of the world, we now seek a broader engagement.

On education, we will expand exchange programs, and increase scholarships, like the one that brought my father to America, while encouraging more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students with internships in America; invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world; and create a new online network, so a teenager in Kansas can communicate instantly with a teenager in Cairo.

On economic development, we will create a new corps of business volunteers to partner with counterparts in Muslim-majority countries. And I will host a summit on entrepreneurship this year to identify how we can deepen ties between business leaders, foundations and social entrepreneurs in the United States and Muslim communities around the world.

On science and technology, we will launch a new fund to support technological development in Muslim-majority countries, and to help transfer ideas to the marketplace so they can create jobs. We will open centers of scientific excellence in Africa, the Middle East and south-east Asia, and appoint new science envoys to collaborate on programs that develop new sources of energy, create green jobs, digitize records, clean wate and grow new crops. And today I am announcing a new global effort with the Organization of the Islamic Conference to eradicate polio. And we will also expand partnerships with Muslim communities to promote child and maternal health.

All these things must be done in partnership. Americans are ready to join with citizens and governments; community organizations, religious leaders, and businesses in Muslim communities around the world to help our people pursue a better life.

The issues that I have described will not be easy to address. But we have a responsibility to join together on behalf of the world we seek - a world where extremists no longer threaten our people, and American troops have come home; a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own, and nuclear energy is used for peaceful purposes; a world where governments serve their citizens, and the rights of all God's children are respected. Those are mutual interests. That is the world we seek. But we can only achieve it together.

I know there are many - Muslim and non-Muslim - who question whether we can forge this new beginning. Some are eager to stoke the flames of division, and to stand in the way of progress. Some suggest that it isn't worth the effort - that we are fated to disagree, and civilizations are doomed to clash. Many more are simply skeptical that real change can occur. There is so much fear, so much mistrust. But if we choose to be bound by the past, we will never move forward. And I want to particularly say this to young people of every faith, in every country - you, more than anyone, have the ability to remake this world.

All of us share this world for but a brief moment in time. The question is whether we spend that time focused on what pushes us apart, or whether we commit ourselves to an effort - a sustained effort _ to find common ground, to focus on the future we seek for our children, and to respect the dignity of all human beings.

It is easier to start wars than to end them. It is easier to blame others than to look inward; to see what is different about someone than to find the things we share. But we should choose the right path, not just the easy path. There is also one rule that lies at the heart of every religion - that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. This truth transcends nations and peoples - a belief that isn't new; that isn't black or white or brown; that isn't Christian, or Muslim or Jew. It's a belief that pulsed in the cradle of civilization, and that still beats in the heart of billions. It's a faith in other people, and it's what brought me here today.

We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written.

The Holy Koran tells u:

"O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another."

The Talmud tells us:

"The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace."

The Holy Bible tells us:

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth. Thank you. And may God's peace be upon you.

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BMZ
- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 2:08 pm
Post subject: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:

skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ


Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?



I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.

http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=835&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.

Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:

1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.

2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.

3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.

4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.

All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.


Champion Troll wrote:

In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?


Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.

You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.

Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .

You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .

Bmz wrote:

I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing


ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .

- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 2:12 pm
Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
BMZ wrote:
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!

FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.

I will comment later.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2603

Obama has such a starry-eyed view of the situation, unwilling to admit that the conflict between Islam and the West goes a lot deeper and broader than a few violent extremists. He grew up, of course, with the Islam practised in Indonesia, which is substantially less belicose than that of Middle East/West Asian and African nations.

However, I give him credit that he puts the pressure on those anti-semites like Ahmedinejad.
- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 6:09 pm
Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!

FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.

I will comment later.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2603

Obama has such a starry-eyed view of the situation, unwilling to admit that the conflict between Islam and the West goes a lot deeper and broader than a few violent extremists. He grew up, of course, with the Islam practised in Indonesia, which is substantially less belicose than that of Middle East/West Asian and African nations.

However, I give him credit that he puts the pressure on those anti-semites like Ahmedinejad.


There is a difference in being an anti-Semite and anti-Israel. Talking against Israel does not mean one is anti-Semite. It has become a fashion word. lol!

Ahmedinejad is not an anti-Semite. You can call him anti-Israel.

I consider Obama as the first American President, who has really been honest and open in his speech. Others in the past 70 years have never been honest and sincere as this man is.

And his pressure as well as that of other not-so-honest and insincere past American Presidents is all about the worry that Iran may build nuclear bombs.

But legally they can't do anything because Iran has been transparent and IAEA is aware of her activities.

You can only be considered anti-Semite if you talk bad about only the Jews. If I criticise Israel on her horrible and dirty behaviour, the land grab, establishing homes in occupied lands not accepted by the UN,
one cannot call me an anti-Semite.

Obama is thus waking up both sides, which is good. By the way, all the stock in that area is Semite. lol!

Cheers
BMZ
- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:

skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ


Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?



I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.

http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=835&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.

Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:

1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.

2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.

3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.

4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.

All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.


Champion Troll wrote:

In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?


Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.

You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.

Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .

You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .

Bmz wrote:

I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing


ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .


Where did the FFI goon skynightblaze write and post this and what was your response to the immature Sub-continental Hindu freak at FFI?

There are so many frauds and fakes at FFI, claiming to be ex-Muslims but I do not believe they were Muslims ever. How can I take this internet freak's word that he is an atheist?

And what does make an atheist internet freak reliable, trustworthy and honest? Why should I trust an atheist, specially a Hindu, who is Hindu forever and calls the myth Rama, Lord Rama? lol!

I see nothing much in his post, except his usual style but this time his gibberish has increased. I see no improvement in the goon. His NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) appears to be getting worse and the megalomaniac needs medical help.

Cheers
BMZ
- Sun 07 Jun, 2009 6:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:

skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ


Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?



I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.

http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=835&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.

Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:

1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.

2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.

3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.

4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.

All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.


Champion Troll wrote:

In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?


Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.

You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.

Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .

You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .

Bmz wrote:

I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing


ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .


Will address any relevant point in the miserable soul's post later, if I really see anything worth replying. That will save me time.

Regarding the FFI 3rd grade goon skynightblaze's comment,
Quote:
He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.
, I would like to say this:

Ixolite and you are fine with me now. I do write on her site. We did have clashes but nothing dirty and crude, the sort skynightblaze does.
The man is full of oral/verbal diarrhoea. Everyone knows that.

I have not insulted Debunker heavily. In fact sometimes Debunker screws the FFI goons very nicely and I admire that.

The rest of the lot and many others deserve only insults in return. They should know that very well.

Khalil was shown how to be civil and he did oblige. The rest of the above-named bunch do not deserve any respect at all. They rightfully deserve insults and scorn, except that skynightblaze needs more.

If skynightblaze knows and speaks Hindi (I am sure he does), tell him to read this and he will realise and understand:

Quote:
Kuttay ki dum ko hazaar saal tube main band rakho, nikalo aur dekho kay dum tayrhi ki tayhri


It means, "If you put a dog's tail in a straight tube for a thousand years and then take it out, it will still be crooked, never straight.

No room or way to straighten. lol!

skynightblaze is beyond redemption like other FFI goons.

BMZ
- Mon 08 Jun, 2009 2:58 pm
Post subject:
Hi Aksel,

Thank you for pointing out the following at FFI:

Quote:

Re: Zihar - Islam's less talked about way of divorce

Postby Aksel Ankersen ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:37 am
The Koran says not to do Zihar:

"Those among you who estrange their wives (by declaring them as forbidden in sex) as their mothers know full well that they are not their mothers. Their mothers are the women who gave birth to them. Indeed, they are committing a blasphemy and a falsehood. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver."


In those days, during the infancy of Islam, the pagan Arabs used Zihar as an excuse to get rid of their wives, when they wanted to.

Zihar was not any Islamic practice or custom. That is how those folks and the members of the new faith Islam, were educated by Qur'aan.

Appreciate your fine comment.

BMZ
- Mon 08 Jun, 2009 7:59 pm
Post subject: Finally, the truth about FFI, coming from FinallyFree
Hi, all

This is a good post, which was long over due and finally came from FinallyFree and I enjoyed reading that. Please read all the silly responses.

There are no posters of class and the arrival of a later lot of other FFI goons, has begun to show how fed up and disappointed, people are.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2626

FFI is slowly going down the drain. The site thrives like a parasite thrives on others.

The lack and dearth of genuine Muslim posters is leading to FFI's own slow death and demise. Laughing

BMZ
- Tue 09 Jun, 2009 7:09 pm
Post subject: skynightblaze's obsession with BMZ
I am flattered. lol!

Can anyone tell me under what name Debunker was writing when I was writing at FFI under BMZ.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2405&start=60

A comment from skynightblaze, one of top leading junk writers of FFI:

Quote:
Mods banned him for trolling. I actually want him back but mods wont allow him. Believe me it would be his nightmare if he is allowed back.


skynightblaze,

You can always come and write here in this topic only and your posts, which are usually full of junk and stuff, will not be deleted. Tell the mods to remove the ban and I will come and do you there. Why is FFI so scared? All of you can hound me. No problem.
Laughing

Really, the insanity of this person knows no bounds.

BMZ
- Tue 09 Jun, 2009 7:37 pm
Post subject: Khali Fariel's post on FFI
Khalil opens this silly topic again assuming THHuxley is a genius and quotes:

Quote:
Just felt like posting this from our honourable member THHuxley:

According to THHuxley, Muhammad is truly a demigod of Muslims. He states it blatantly here:

THHuxley wrote:Muhammad is your version of the Christian Jesus. They call him the ?????????????????????¢??word?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? and you call Muhammad the ?????????????????????¢??light.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? They have a trinity, you have a duality.

This is from his discussion on the subject Do Muslims worship Muhammad?


http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2645

First, who cares who THHuxley is, who knows who THHuxley is and who THHuxley is to make such silly and stupid statements.

Khalil, who pretends to be an ex-Muslim, a closet-apostate like Ali Sina,
should tell everyone first if he and his "Muslim" family and friends, ever believed if Muhammad was a partner of God. Rofl.

If Khalil confirms that he, his parents, his family and relatives, associated Muhammad as a partner with God, then surely it bursts his own bubble of ever being a Muslim. It would clearly indicate that he was never a Muslim. lol!

Ahmed,

Can you ask Khalil this question? Khalil does not realise what a pickle is he in?

The entire world knows that Muslims hate and abhor associating anyone to Allah. "La sharika lahu" is the slogan of Islam.

I am really amazed to see FFI lead goons writing such silly posts.

BMZ
- Tue 09 Jun, 2009 8:23 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Aksel

I refer to the topic "Devout Muslims left Islam" on FFI and to the exchange between Khalil and your goodself.

KhaliL FarieL wrote:
But some accusation can be true, and Allah eulogizing Muhammad along with his angels does not make sense. And if necessary, it can be argued Allah and angels are praying to Muhammad too. Any doubt?

I will quote Quran to define Quran. It is the best way since Quran explains Quran better:

See the verses below:

فَنَادَتْهُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ أَنَّ اللّهَ يُبَشِّرُكَ بِيَحْيَـى مُصَدِّقًا بِكَلِمَةٍ مِّنَ اللّهِ وَسَيِّدًا وَحَصُورًا وَنَبِيًّا مِّنَ الصَّالِحِينَ

And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, lordly, chaste, a Prophet of the righteous.[Quran: 3:39]


See the bolded part, it reads as ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? = Praying. It was prophet Zachariah praying in Quran, so we see the singular ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.

The same term but since it is Allah and angels are involved, we see its plural form, instead of ?????????????????????¢??Yusallee?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? singular, it is ?????????????????????¢??Yusalloona?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? in Quran 33:43:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا

Indeed, Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.[Quran 33:56]

I have bolded the term in both verses. There is not much difference a non-Arabic speaker can see.

What makes it here showering blessings on the prophet instead of praying? Zachariah was praying as he was ?????????????????????¢??yusallee?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. But Allah is not even though he too ?????????????????????¢??Yusalloon?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.

Swalla = is used to denote prayer in Quran. I can show you verses pertaining to it.

أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يَنْهَى عَبْدًا إِذَا صَلَّى

Hast thou seen him who dissuades, A slave when he prays? [Quran 96:9-10]

فَلَا صَدَّقَ وَلَا صَلَّى وَلَكِن كَذَّبَ وَتَوَلَّى

For he neither trusted, nor prayed. But he denied and flouted.[Quran 75:31-32]

Allah indeed made Muhammad a demigod, and I have debated on this matter many times in this forum. Muhammad has been given a godly attribute in Quran which Rashad Khalifa felt like blasphemous and scrapped from his Quran. He paid his life for it.


Aksel Ankersen wrote:


I didn't respond to Khalil's post, because I didn't see anything in it that hadn't already been covered in the topic. There is no explanation why, if Salla exclusively means pray, that Allah yusalloona upon his believers.

الذين اذا اصابتهم مصيبة قالوا انا لله وانا اليه راجعون
اولئك عليهم صلوات من ربهم ورحمة واولئك هم المهتدون

who, when they are visited by an affliction, say, 'Surely we belong to God, and to Him we return';
upon those rest blessings (3layhum salawat) and mercy from their Lord, and those -- they are the truly guided

al-Baqara 157


Sir, my advice to you is to drop this subject of Allah praying either to or for Muhammad, because it contradicts the doctrine of the Koran in many other places and is logically untenable.

Rather like Luxemberg and his "white raisins".


I just wish to point out that Khalil's underlining, to make up his points regarding the words in Arabic, is just not correct. Underlining done by Khalil does not prove anything and he is wrong.

For example, Khalil underlined just one word in وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي, which is ridiculous. In order to see what was going on, we need to underline two words وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي to show that he was standing in prayers and was not sending blessings.

Again, Khlail underlines just one word in يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ but does not know that the words to be underlined are يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ as the word عَلَى will denote "upon" or "on". There is no praying to in this.

By his own admission, he quotes إِذَا صَلَّى and knows well that it means, "When he prays" and goes on to add وَلَا صَلَّى that these two words on their own are clearly talking about the man praying or not.

You have rightly given the right reference by pointing out the verse and I quote part of it: اولئك عليهم صلوات من ربهم ورحمة واولئك هم المهتدون
and this shows that they shall have blessings from their LORD.

Allah is not praying a lot to them. lol!

Thank you very much for explaining and arguing with people who claim to be ex-Muslims and yet understand zilsch/nothing.

BMZ
- Wed 10 Jun, 2009 4:43 pm
Post subject: A PYSHO-ANALYSIS OF FFI'S KHALIL FARIEL
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to the following link: http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2651&start=60

and your response to Khalil Fariel:

Quote:
Postby AhmedBahgat ????????????????????????????» Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:48 pm

KhaliL FarieL wrote:
Blah blah

I hope I made it clear.

Regards
KF


where you edited and removed Khalil's incoherent comments, replaced all the junk and stuff with "Blah blah" and dismissed him rightly with the Dismissal image.

I have been following and monitoring Khalil's posts for a long time, when he wrote under the nick Haji Murad and Haik Monsieur and I have always considered him a Christian evangelist in disguise. He is definitely not an ex-Muslim and I can bet Sam Shamoun's arse on that. lol! I am dead serious on this, mate!

His reply to you is really a very silly reply and it affirms and confirms that the suspect has never been a Muslim at all. First, look at his reply to you:

KhaliL Fariel wrote:
Dear Ahmed,

You brought this argument earlier too which I overlooked at that time. Now I will deal with it.

This is a very good argument but unfortunte for you, will get refuted easily. Focus on the verses below: I bring Arabic too for you to grasp easily:

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ

Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators![Quran: 23:14]

أَتَدْعُونَ بَعْلًا وَتَذَرُونَ أَحْسَنَ الْخَالِقِينَ

Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the best of Creators,[Quran: 37:125]

I hope you should have noticed the bolded part in Arabic and translation. What does it tell you?

Are there creators beside Allah for him to talk ?????????????????????¢??He is the best of creators??????????????????????¢??????????????????????

It can not be so. Especially see the verse 37:125. Very scary for a Muslim like you because of its structure;

So, it can be somewhat idiomatic? Or allegorical? Whatever, Allah is only mentioning himself as best among the creators means he is perfect. He can not be indicating creators besides him. Can he?

So is the verse Allah describing himself as ?????????????????????¢??Arhamu Al-Rahimeen = Merciful of the all merciful ones?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? This verse can not be produced to counter my argument ?????????????????????¢??Muhammad is assigned Allah?????????????????????¢??s essential, exclusive attribute ?????????????????????¢??Raheem?????????????????????¢??????????????????????. If Allah has used the exact term ?????????????????????¢??Raheem?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? in Quran to denote any others too, I will concur but this ?????????????????????¢??Raheem among the ?????????????????????¢??Rahimeen?????????????????????¢?? should be dealt as ?????????????????????¢??Ahsan among the Khaliqeen?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.

I hope I made it clear.

Regards
KF


Now look at what he wrote within above: "Are there creators beside Allah for him to talk ?????????????????????¢??He is the best of creators?""

Of course, there are men who also created many things, but they could not create what God created.

Even the most ordinary and dumb uneducated Muslim knows Allah's attributes and what they mean, while Khalil, being an "ex-Muslim" appears not to understand the attributes. Who could enter into such idiotic polemics but some one other than a Muslim?

Note, how he writes this: "Arhamu Al-Rahimeen". No Muslim writes that way and only goons like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Apple_Pie, Peace_Train and other evangelical goons write that way.

As a Muslim, even you and I will never write and spell that way. We would write, "Arhamur-Rahimeen". I am sorry to say that Khalil is a fraud, a fake pretending to be an ex-Muslim.

Coming to creators beside Allah and that Allah is the Best Creator,
what he does not understand and does not know is that Baal (Ask him to read Judges 2) created an idol, a god for the Israelis and many others created idols for people all over the world. That is why the Surah was referring to Baal. Khalil just picked up one verse, without even understanding the context.

Humans even created gods. Look at the Hindus! They created myths and unbelieveable gods like Rama, Krishna, Kalimata, Shiv, Vishnu, etc and the Christian bishops, under the pointed spears of Constantine's soldiers, created Jesus to be God. Christians even created a third god known as the "Holy Spirit", which the Jews never had at all, as God.

But all those created by men were no match. Jesus was no creator, Baal was no creator and so on.

So, Allah declares to be the Most Excellent Creator or the Best Creator, who has in fact created the Universe, mankind and the entire creations.

Any simple Muslim knows and understands that. And here you have a polemic Khalil, who just quotes a verse and appends a silly polemic comment.

If you like, you can post this at FFI. My main point is that Khalil's polemics expose him and the guy has never been a Muslim. Khalil is a confirmed fake. If you like, I can bet Robert Spencer's arse also. Laughing

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 11 Jun, 2009 1:15 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

Your response to Khalil's silly post at FFI:

Quote:
Hello Khalil

We are not discussing the english word 'Pray', we are discussing the Arabic word "Salla"

Now, I don't need to refute your opening post, you have that silly habit of repeating your crap, and I say, it is if a Muslim like me and a Kafir like Aksel refuted you, then you must be the one who is wrong.

Cheers


Thanks for the excellent dismissal. I will do a write up on the good-for-nothing, confused and polemic minds of FFI later, when I have more time.

You can ignore the crazy rantings, ravings, the oral diarrhoea and the craps of skynightblaze, who does not know anything. skynightblaze is just an FFI minion. Laughing

Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 13 Jun, 2009 4:17 pm
Post subject: It is getting hilarious on FFI
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.

Quote:

Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!

Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel

I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/allah_worships.html


Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.

Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.

Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.

One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.

إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي says it all.

I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!

BMZ
- Sat 13 Jun, 2009 4:38 pm
Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
BMZ wrote:
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.

Quote:

Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!

Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel

I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/allah_worships.html


Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.

Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.

Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.

One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.

إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي says it all.

I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!

BMZ



Exactly bro

The mpost important point which is totally ignred by such stubborn goon and his likes, is simply, the word AQIM before the word Salat, i.e. ESTABLISH the pryaer, or STAND UP for the prayer, the word SALAT alone does not really mean to ESTABLISH the prayer, we need the word AQIM, or IQIAMAH, or QUM, before it, to mean ESTABLISHING the physical prayer

You know man, I am sick and tired of their stubborness, these people don't deserve knowledgeable Muslims to educate them, simply they do not want to be educated because all they care about is their deceitful agenda

Salam
- Sat 13 Jun, 2009 5:11 pm
Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
KhaliL's foolish topic is really getting into full hilarious mode now.

Quote:

Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!

Postby skynightblaze ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm
@Aksel

I got in touch with Sam Shamoun and he had a new article that was coming up on answering islam. Here are some quotes from his recent article. Here are some quotes from Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hisham and some hadiths.This should be sufficient to prove that Allah does pray. Now Sam doesnt believe that Allah prays to Muhhamad like us but he believes that Allah prays to angels as some quotes from Ibn Kathir suggest.To whom Allah prays isnt important really . The claim that Allah prays destroys everything in islam. .HE had send me the word document but I was waiting for it to get uploaded on AI before I could use them.Here is where you can access the full article

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/allah_worships.html


Amazing the FFI goon in above approaches an extreme Christian Fundy goon Sam Shamoun, who is exactly like FFI goons in his polemics.

Please read and see how the pervert distorts and twists. He even leaves KhaliL far behind in writing ridiculous.

Instead of coming and talking to Muslims, the FFI goon goes to Sam Shamoun for clarifying KhaliL's idiotic topic.

One simple part of verse 20:14 should make all the FFI goons understand that Allah, the God Almighty wants people to worship only HIM and to establish prayers.

إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي says it all.

I am amazed at the idiocity of FFI goons. No wonder they are!

BMZ



Exactly bro

The most important point which is totally ignred by such stubborn goon and his likes, is simply, the word AQIM before the word Salat, i.e. ESTABLISH the pryaer, or STAND UP for the prayer, the word SALAT alone does not really mean to ESTABLISH the prayer, we need the word AQIM, or IQIAMAH, or QUM, before it, to mean ESTABLISHING the physical prayer

You know man, I am sick and tired of their stubborness, these people don't deserve knowledgeable Muslims to educate them, simply they do not want to be educated because all they care about is their deceitful agenda

Salam


Agreed, mate.

You are absolutely right. They are not there to learn. They are just carrying out their deceitful propaganda. I do not write to educate them but I do it to let the silent international readers know and also to ridicule and expose the evangelist-supported FFI goons and freaks.

I have also posted here: http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156

Do not write but do read when I write.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 13 Jun, 2009 5:23 pm
Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
BMZ wrote:
I have also posted here: http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156

Do not write but do read when I write.

Salaams
BMZ



Sure, matey
- Sat 13 Jun, 2009 5:49 pm
Post subject: Re: It is getting hilarious on FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I have also posted here: http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156

Do not write but do read when I write.

Salaams
BMZ



Sure, matey


Thanks, mate. Keep an eye on the topic. Some goons may turn up and it would be nice to skin the mules. Wink
- Sun 14 Jun, 2009 1:50 am
Post subject: This is really strange
Something is really wrong with the frame of mind of the so-called ex-Muslims, the goons and freaks who can write gibberish passages full of junk and stuff, when they cannot understand a simple verse.

But if you ask these goons a simple question, they cannot understand and write more gibberish, which has nothing to do with the question.

BMZ
- Mon 15 Jun, 2009 7:43 pm
Post subject: JUST FOR THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR READERS
Some polemicists like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer and other freaks raise silly questions and this one of them:

Quote:
Can you answer this for me.

Qur?????????????????????¢??an 18:9, makes into real history, the second century myth of youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian, but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim. My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written, are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not, would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?

IF YOU TELL ME ITS A LIE HERE IS ALL THE REFERENCES.ALL THE QURANS SAID THEY SLEPT FOR 300 + 9 YEARS THE QURAN MUST HAVE BEEN WRITEN AFTER THEY WOKE UP TO PROOF ITS AUTHENTICNESS THEN MUHAMMAD MUST HAVE BEN ALSO LIVED 300 +9 YEARS BECAUSE HE MUST HAVE WITNESSED IT TRUE OR FALSE

YUSUF ALI

Al-Kahf [18:9] Or dost thou reflect that the Companions of the cave and of the Inscription were wonders among Our Signs?
Al-Kahf [18:10] Behold, the youths betook themselves to the cave: they said "Our Lord! Bestow on us Mercy from Thyself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way!
Al-Kahf [18:11] Then We drew (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the cave, (so that they heard not):
Al-Kahf [18:16] "When ye turn away from them and the things they worship other than Allah betake yourselves to the cave: your Lord will shower His mercies on you and dispose of your affair towards comfort and ease."
Al-Kahf [18:17] Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left while they lay in the open space in the midst of the cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah: he whom Allah guides; but he whom Allah leaves to stray for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.
Al-Kahf [18:25] So they stayed in their cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more).

OR IS THIS ALSO A MISCONCEPTION.


Such freaks have to be reminded with this:

Yes, the above concluded by you IS indeed a misconception.

See how you started by cherry-picking a few verses, like you do with the Bible and omitted the most important concluding verse , which gives the key message in that section.


قُلِ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا لَبِثُوا لَهُ غَيْبُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ أَبْصِرْ بِهِ وَأَسْمِعْ مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا ﴿٢٦﴾

18:26:
Say: "(Allah) knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.


Notice that in 18:25, Allah does not confirm that they stayed 300 years because SOME added another 9 years.

The section of the Surah is telling us to avoid conjecture and guesswork.

Thus the message given is that if you do not know, don't cook up figures and do not gossip.

The message has nothing to do with confirmation of 300 or 309 days, which is a conjecture by the people. Conjecture was a main problem in Christianity, was rampant and still is.

By the way, Qur'aan does not place it on 1st or 2nd Century.

The same happened in the alleged story of Jesus. How long did he really remain in the tomb?

Some say full three days and three nights; some say two nights and one day, some say two nights and two days and some say only thirty-six hours.

Thus we have to avoid conjecture and making guesses. Only Allah knows what truly happened.

Regarding your comment on compensation, I have this to add:

If you read Qur'aan and match it with the Christians' OT and the NT, you will realise that Qur'aan has not copied the two books at all.

Now, if you compare your OT with the original Jewish Holy Scriptures (Jewish Bible), you will find that Christians have copied the Jewish Tanakh, wholesale.

Thus you have to pay millions of trillions of dollars compensation to the Jews for first copying their Holy Scriptures wholesale and secondly for forging it. lol!

Cheers
BMZ
- Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:43 am
Post subject: Who is this clown Rajesh?
Hello, Ahmed

I was reading the link:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2756

Is this Rajesh an FFI clown or what?

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:50 am
Post subject: Re: Who is this clown Rajesh?
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I was reading the link:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2756

Is this Rajesh an FFI clown or what?

Salaams
BMZ


Not sure mate, however due to the fact that there are any clowns in there, so it might be possible

cheers
- Tue 16 Jun, 2009 12:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Who is this clown Rajesh?
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I was reading the link:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2756

Is this Rajesh an FFI clown or what?

Salaams
BMZ


Not sure mate, however due to the fact that there are any clowns in there, so it might be possible

cheers


I found the clown. Looks like another Hindu FFI minion.

http://challenge2islam.wetpaint.com/

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 17 Jun, 2009 12:37 pm
Post subject: THHuxley's silly comments on FFI
BMZ wrote:
Khalil opens this silly topic again assuming THHuxley is a genius and quotes:

Quote:
Just felt like posting this from our honourable member THHuxley:

According to THHuxley, Muhammad is truly a demigod of Muslims. He states it blatantly here:

THHuxley wrote:Muhammad is your version of the Christian Jesus. They call him the ?????????????????????¢??word?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? and you call Muhammad the ?????????????????????¢??light.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? They have a trinity, you have a duality.

This is from his discussion on the subject Do Muslims worship Muhammad?


http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2645

First, who cares who THHuxley is, who knows who THHuxley is and who THHuxley is to make such silly and stupid statements.

Khalil, who pretends to be an ex-Muslim, a closet-apostate like Ali Sina,
should tell everyone first if he and his "Muslim" family and friends, ever believed if Muhammad was a partner of God. Rofl.

If Khalil confirms that he, his parents, his family and relatives, associated Muhammad as a partner with God, then surely it bursts his own bubble of ever being a Muslim. It would clearly indicate that he was never a Muslim. lol!

Ahmed,

Can you ask Khalil this question? Khalil does not realise what a pickle is he in?

The entire world knows that Muslims hate and abhor associating anyone to Allah. "La sharika lahu" is the slogan of Islam.

I am really amazed to see FFI lead goons writing such silly posts.

BMZ


Hello, Ahmed

Just read this silly post from THHuxley of FFI. He dismisses Khalil and then adds a hilarious comment on Shirk:

Quote:
Re: THHuxley on Allah-Muhammad Dualism in Islam...!!!

Postby THHuxley ????????????????????????????» Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:36 pm

KhaliL FarieL wrote:Follow the link carefully. Huxley does claim Allah is praying to Muhammad.


THHuxley wrote:

"Shirk is a component of Muslim belief and behavior, but still not a reflection of reality. My discussion regarding Muslim shirk was an exploration of Islam's internal contradiction. But I would no more claim that Allah prays to Muhammad than I would claim that Unicorns pray to rainbows."


BMZ
- Thu 18 Jun, 2009 8:39 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Hey goons

Let me totally demolish the confused and manipulated kafirs and their fellow traitor debonked

see what I wrote in my last comment to Khalil, for which I am certain he will dodge as he dodged so many tough arguments in the past

I asked him:

1) Why the right hand?
2) Why not the left hand?
3) Why not both hands?

Now if we think of the slaves as almost equivalent to the POWs, then the POWs should also be described as being possessed by the right hands. Let's have a look at the following verse which is talking about the POWs, and let's see if they are controlled by the right hand, or by the left hand or by both hands, obviously by both hands is the most logical:

O Prophet! Say to those who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war: If Allah knows good in your hearts, He will give you better than that which has been taken from you and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

يأيها النبي قل لمن في ايديكم من الاسري ان يعلم الله في قلوبكم خيرا يؤتكم خيرا مما اخذ منكم ويغفر لكم والله غفور رحيم

[The Quran ; 8:70]

-> See you ignorant and confused FFI goons, Allah is telling us about the POWs: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

I am sure the confused goons can see the slam coming

So if Ma Malakat Aymanikum means, what your right hands possess, how come the POWs were described as being controlled by both hands, let's see it again: لمن في ايديكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYDIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your hands from among the prisoners of war

If the right hand is the expression to express owning, controlling, enslaving others, then shouldn't the verse above be saying:

لمن في ايمانكم من الاسري, Li Mn Fi AYMANIKUM Min Al-Asra, i.e. who are in your right hands from among the prisoners of war

Therefore, Ma Malakat Aymanikum MUST mean, What your oaths possess, which means that a capable human took an oath before Allah that he/she will care for and support any weak human.

What a mother of all slams



Good, mate.

You have to keep on debunking FFI goons, whoever that may write.

I noticed you have added a new FFI goon in the Life Dismissal List, who holds rank #17 Lets Lie (letstalk).

Could you add the name Rajesh Kumar to the item?

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 3:02 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
I noticed you have added a new FFI goon in the Life Dismissal List, who holds rank #17 Lets Lie (letstalk).

Could you add the name Rajesh Kumar to the item?

Salaams
BMZ


Done, mate

Cheers
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 4:10 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I noticed you have added a new FFI goon in the Life Dismissal List, who holds rank #17 Lets Lie (letstalk).

Could you add the name Rajesh Kumar to the item?

Salaams
BMZ


Done, mate

Cheers


Thanks for adding the name. He claims to be a student of Ali Sina. Since when did Ali Sina become a teacher of Hindus? lol!

A practising idol worshipper of various hilarious deities of all shapes and sizes is trying to eliminate Islam.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 6:08 am
Post subject: Sharmoot skynightblaze at FFI
Hello, Ahmed

Just finished watching Pakistan thrashing South Africa in the ICC Twenty20 and saw this junk claim from skynightblaze:

Quote:
Till date you havent been able to prove that why every single narrator would lie about age of Aisha . Also regarding robbing there is a chapter in quran. I need not say anything more.


Can you check up with the silly Arsehole, how many ahaadith has he brought up on the stupid subject? Laughing

Also ask where did the buffoon read a chapter on robbing in Qur'aan, as he claimed?

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 4:19 pm
Post subject: The Weasel yeezevee of FFI
Hello, Ahmed

I read your note on FFI, warning the weasel yeezevee to behave when writing about Prophet, Allah and Qur'aan.

I must say that such filthy posters do not even deserve a response from you or any Muslim.

I think you should totally ignore him. The man or the woman is not worth any attention. I am sure you know what a weasel thrives on!

You might have to go ignore another Sub-Continental freak soon and place him in the dungeon.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 4:34 pm
Post subject: Re: The Weasel yeezevee of FFI
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I read your note on FFI, warning the weasel yeezevee to behave when writing about Prophet, Allah and Qur'aan.

I must say that such filthy posters do not even deserve a response from you or any Muslim.

I think you should totally ignore him. The man or the woman is not worth any attention. I am sure you know what a weasel thrives on!

You might have to go ignore another Sub-Continental freak soon and place him in the dungeon.

Salaams
BMZ


Salam mate

He acts like a jerk most of the time, I really don't want to life dismiss him as he reads my translation and alwasy advice me of any typo error, which I appreciate

All he needs to do is show respect to my religion,

See, showing respect does not mean that they bloody believe in it, however it seems that those filthy kafirs have no respect for anything in life, they only want to take the signs of Allah for a mockery, well, I am translating sura 45 now, and I found a message that can be explicit to such people we see on FFI, I will make a comment about it after I finish the first 20 verses in sura 45, so keep an eye

Cheers
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 4:56 pm
Post subject: Re: The Weasel yeezevee of FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I read your note on FFI, warning the weasel yeezevee to behave when writing about Prophet, Allah and Qur'aan.

I must say that such filthy posters do not even deserve a response from you or any Muslim.

I think you should totally ignore him. The man or the woman is not worth any attention. I am sure you know what a weasel thrives on!

You might have to go ignore another Sub-Continental freak soon and place him in the dungeon.

Salaams
BMZ


Salam mate

He acts like a jerk most of the time, I really don't want to life dismiss him as he reads my translation and alwasy advice me of any typo error, which I appreciate

All he needs to do is show respect to my religion,

See, showing respect does not mean that they bloody believe in it, however it seems that those filthy kafirs have no respect for anything in life, they only want to take the signs of Allah for a mockery, well, I am translating sura 45 now, and I found a message that can be explicit to such people we see on FFI, I will make a comment about it after I finish the first 20 verses in sura 45, so keep an eye

Cheers


OK, mate. Will take a look after I come back.

Can you call the latest Kafir arrival known as letstalk aka Rajesh Khanna or Rajesh Kumar here in this thread.

Looks like he is another confused Hindu FFIer.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 19 Jun, 2009 7:42 pm
Post subject: Here Comes letstalk aka Rajesh Kumar of FFI
Hello, all

Rajesh Kumar claims to be a student of Ali Sina. Like teacher, like student! Rofl

I read this at FFI:

Quote:

Re: Mission "Terror Annihilation"

Postby letstalk ????????????????????????????» Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:39 pm
A Suggested Petition / Recommendations to US and other High Commands OR ANYONE IN POWER WHO "WILL"TAKE AN ACTION

(I am not an experienced petition writer. Please forgive me if I cannot make the right tone. However, I know that I am making the right MEANINGS. And now I need your suggestions. You may send me PMs or write to me @ dharma.raksha.yudh@gmail.com)

The US High Command
United States of America
(OR someone more practical)

CC: High Commands of Other Super Powers

Subject: Petitions-cum-Recommendations against Islam and Muslims of the World

Respected Sir/Madam

With regret, I am obliged to submit that terrorism has started growing "even faster" than ever instead of getting under control. To me, the reason is that so far, the root cause of terrorism, i.e. Islam and Muslims, has not seriously been looked into. Having passed 27 years of my life as a Muslim, I have now turned to Hinduism for last 03 years and know very well, the tactics Muslims use, to promote Islam, to prove other religions false, to foster terrorist activities and to dominate others by hooks or by crooks.

I will now come to the point directly:

1. Since Islam has long been proven a false, unethical and "dangerous" religion, it is now time to challenge Islam openly. I suggest:

a. Books questioning Islam be published and distributed all over the world in English, Hindi, Urdu, Persian and Arabic languages.
b. The top Muslim Scholars be challenged for public debates, which may later be broadcasted on TV.
c. Muslim preachers and sticky Islamists be arrested and given death penalty on being responsible for encouraging the so-called "Jehad", the filthiest terrorist activity.

My request may sound "impractical" but I believe, if not acted upon, is sure to bring harm to the whole humanity and the lovely planet Earth.

On behalf of all my loving and caring friends and myself, I submit this request expecting a positive response from your side.

With kind regards,


Rajesh Kumar and Friends


Absolutely hilarious, coming from a student of Ali Sina.
I have no problem with such foolish letters but I have to take such fools to task by asking them on the part emboldened by me.

According to this FFI goon, Rajesh Kumar, the top Muslim Scholars be challenged for public debates, which may later be broadcasted on TV.
Now the fools should realise and think if men like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq,
Abul Kasem, Kamran Mirza and Rajesh Kumar would really be bold to come out of their closet or not?

I challenge Rajesh Kumar to bring up the goons I mentioned above and debate me in Sydney. The televised debates will be arranged through SMH or a University and will be held before audience, most of whom will be non-Muslims.

lol!

BMZ
- Sat 20 Jun, 2009 6:47 am
Post subject: RAJESH KUMAR AKA LETSTALK
Hello, Ahmed

Read this and see how silly is Rajesh Kumar of FFI. I believe this goon has challenged you for a debate. Before you enter any debate with this goon of no calibre, take a look at the exchange between him and Aksel.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2809

Quote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:

I know how Muslims will respond.

Qawl (قول) = speech

Kalima (كلمة) = word


And now look at the idiotic response from Ali Sina's student Rajesh Kumar:

Quote:
letstalk aka Rajesh wrote in reponse to Aksel:

Postby letstalk ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:28 pm

And I know how to respond to such Muslims.

According to the Rules of Arabic Language:
Kalima(1)+Kalima(2)+Kalima(3)+....+Kalima(n)=Qaul
Simple dude.

Rajesh Kumar


http://www.challenge2islam.wetpaint.com


Aksel replied:
Quote:

I would've though it'd be Kalimaat (كلمات).


Aksel, a non-Muslim wrote better and has actually thrashed Rajesh Kumar. And this man is challenging you for a debate. Please tell him to go and learn Arabic and come back after seven years. lol!

@Aksel_Ankersen

Thank you very much for your responses. I appreciate that. Rajesh, after all, is a student of Ali Sina. lol!

BMZ
- Sat 20 Jun, 2009 7:10 am
Post subject: Re: RAJESH KUMAR AKA LETSTALK
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Read this and see how silly is Rajesh Kumar of FFI. I believe this goon has challenged you for a debate. Before you enter any debate with this goon of no calibre, take a look at the exchange between him and Aksel.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2809

Quote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:

I know how Muslims will respond.

Qawl (قول) = speech

Kalima (كلمة) = word


And now look at the idiotic response from Ali Sina's student Rajesh Kumar:

Quote:
letstalk aka Rajesh wrote in reponse to Aksel:

Postby letstalk ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:28 pm

And I know how to respond to such Muslims.

According to the Rules of Arabic Language:
Kalima(1)+Kalima(2)+Kalima(3)+....+Kalima(n)=Qaul
Simple dude.

Rajesh Kumar


http://www.challenge2islam.wetpaint.com


Aksel replied:
Quote:

I would've though it'd be Kalimaat (كلمات).


Aksel, a non-Muslim wrote better and has actually thrashed Rajesh Kumar. And this man is challenging you for a debate. Please tell him to go and learn Arabic and come back after seven years. lol!

@Aksel_Ankersen

Thank you very much for your responses. I appreciate that. Rajesh, after all, is a student of Ali Sina. lol!

BMZ



LOL bro, Aksel exposed and fuked him, mate, how did I miss that

Cheers
- Sat 20 Jun, 2009 12:21 pm
Post subject: Re: RAJESH KUMAR AKA LETSTALK
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

Read this and see how silly is Rajesh Kumar of FFI. I believe this goon has challenged you for a debate. Before you enter any debate with this goon of no calibre, take a look at the exchange between him and Aksel.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2809

Quote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:

I know how Muslims will respond.

Qawl (قول) = speech

Kalima (كلمة) = word


And now look at the idiotic response from Ali Sina's student Rajesh Kumar:

Quote:
letstalk aka Rajesh wrote in reponse to Aksel:

Postby letstalk ????????????????????????????» Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:28 pm

And I know how to respond to such Muslims.

According to the Rules of Arabic Language:
Kalima(1)+Kalima(2)+Kalima(3)+....+Kalima(n)=Qaul
Simple dude.

Rajesh Kumar


http://www.challenge2islam.wetpaint.com


Aksel replied:
Quote:

I would've though it'd be Kalimaat (كلمات).


Aksel, a non-Muslim wrote better and has actually thrashed Rajesh Kumar. And this man is challenging you for a debate. Please tell him to go and learn Arabic and come back after seven years. lol!

@Aksel_Ankersen

Thank you very much for your responses. I appreciate that. Rajesh, after all, is a student of Ali Sina. lol!

BMZ



LOL bro, Aksel exposed and fuked him, mate, how did I miss that

Cheers


I think you were busy on another thread.

If Aksel weren't there, that goon would have convinced other FFI goons that he was an 'expert' in Arabic. I am glad the cheat was caught
and Aksel corrected him.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 22 Jun, 2009 7:50 pm
Post subject: HATEBAG LCD OF FFI:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to the FFI link: http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2670

I was reading about the troll LCD's whining, a jerk with massive hatred in his own heart, talking to the moderators in 'report a troll', complaining that another member hijacked his thread.

I also read your simple joke cracked at him and I noticed he lost it all, when he attacked you and called you anti-Semitic and murderous.

The ignoramus does not know or prefers not to know that anti-Semitism originated and spread from the Christian lands in Europe and also showed it's ugly face in America.

I was glad to see some Kafirs coming to your defence and Ixolite gave him a one weak ban.

It is so hilarious that it makes one laugh his/her ass off. lol!

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Mon 22 Jun, 2009 8:35 pm
Post subject: Ali Sina's letter to President Barack Hussein Obama
Dear all,

I have forwarded this hilarious letter posted by Ali Sina, to the White House and will post the reply, if any, here.

Quote:
The Turmoil in the Middle East Next Post
Jun 20
My Open Letter to Barack Hussein Obama
Politics Add comments

Mr. Obama,

I am an Iranian and I want to comment on your stance about the situation in Iran. You said you don?????????????????????¢??t want to intervene in the affairs of my country. Speaking on behalf of all Iranians we don?????????????????????¢??t want you to intervene either. To put it more emphatically we will not allow you or anyone to intervene. Election is an internal matter.

What we expect is moral support. Instead you made it clear that you do not give a hoot about the people and their vote and will do business with anyone who wins the power even if that is through cheating and by force.

You said that both candidates are the same because they both represent the same regime. Sir, if both were the same why would millions of Iranians risk their lives to favor one over the other? You don?????????????????????¢??t have to be a seasoned politician to know this. All you need is commonsense and a bit of intelligence.

An unprecedented 85% of Iranians voted because they saw in Mousavi a glimmer of hope. Mousavi is only an excuse. He is a cut from the same cloth, a man coming out of the same nefarious establishment. However, the difference is that he has promised freedom of pen and of speech. That is all that Iranians need to topple the regime. They are looking for a crack in the dam of the Islamic Republic. Once that crack is made the dam can be demolished.

Furthermore, it will be a lot easier for America to negotiate with a moderate pragmatic president in Iran than a loony who thinks he converses with the Hidden Imam. We know you don?????????????????????¢??t care about human rights or even human life. Your stance as senator on letting the babies that survive abortion die made this clear. But shouldn?????????????????????¢??t you at least care about what benefits America?

When in 9/11, the Muslim terrorists killed nearly 3000 Americans, and while other Islamic nations, particularly your favorite Palestinians, cheered and danced in the streets, the Iranians were the only people in the Middle East that took candles in the streets and shed tears. I bet as American haters at that time you and your wife also were cheering and thinking that ?????????????????????¢??American chickens have come home to roost.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? That too is clear from all the apologies that you have made on behalf of America to all the terrorists of the world.

The Iranians do not want the foreign countries to intervene in their affairs. What they want is recognition that they matter and that the dictators that oppress them will not be recognized as a legitimate government. Instead you made it clear that you don?????????????????????¢??t give a damn about the people and that you are prepared to give legitimacy to any thug, as long as he manages to come to power, even fraudulently and by killing the people.

This does not surprise me. You yourself came to power fraudulently.

There are many similarities between you and Ahmadinejad. Both of you have no experience, but have gigantic egos. Both of you have messianic complex. Both of you have never done anything worthy to show forth and yet your campaign slogan was ?????????????????????¢??Yes We Can.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? Both of you are admired by Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, the leaders of Hamas and every other thug on the planet. Both of you are favored by the gullible people and the less educated folk that unfortunately are in big supply. Both of you are pro Palestine, anti Israel and anti Zionism. But above all, both of you believe in the power of the Big Lie.

Adolf Hitler, in his Mein Kampf defined the Big Lie as so ?????????????????????¢??colossal?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? that no one would believe that someone ?????????????????????¢??could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.

Taking their lead from Hitler, Ahmadinejad and his gang of thugs thought that if they cheat, just enough to make him the winner by a little margin, it won?????????????????????¢??t be believed. But if they make his victory look like a landslide, no one will doubt it.

Your Big Lie is your claim to be eligible for the U.S. presidency.

Today, I am a proud Iranian. My people did not buy Ahmadinejad?????????????????????¢??s Big Lie. They are coming to the streets, facing bullets and batons, to stand for the truth. Whereas the Americans sheeple have swallowed your big lie, hook line and sinker and the majority of them are still enamored with you, and despite the fact that you are making them bankrupt they still love you. These people are going to wake up with a rude awakening.

Iran is in a great peril. Things can turn ugly overnight. A Civil war can erupt. With an emasculated America under your incompetent leadership, Russia can move in to bring ?????????????????????¢??peace,?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? and never move out. It?????????????????????¢??s not just the Iranians who will lose; America will be also a big loser. The world will lose. This is the worse time to have a rooky posing as president of the USA.

The world is in a great peril and the Americans have given the rudder of their country, in the middle of the worst storm, to a pretender who acts and thinks like a juvenile and who has no more grasp of reality than a teenager. It is so pathetic to see people call you ?????????????????????¢??Mr. President,?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? when in reality you are obly a sad joke.

No Mr. Obama, you don?????????????????????¢??t know what you are doing. You lied. The truth is that YOU CAN?????????????????????¢??T, and it shows.

Written by Ali Sina


Please stay tuned.

BMZ
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 6:02 pm
Post subject: REPLY TO ALI SINA'S EMAIL TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely. Laughing

Quote:


Dear Mr. Ali Sina,

I have been asked to respond to your email as no one has time to read junk mails at the White House.

I have found out that you have left Iran and you are now a Canadian. You should be proud of being a Canadian instead of calling yourself an Iranian. You, therefore, cannot speak on behalf of Iranians and you are not entitled to do so.

The President and I agree that the Election in Iran is an internal matter and only the Iranians should handle the issue through their legal process. Iranians are very smart and they know how to handle problems and situations.

You can see how well Iran is handling her military, missile and nuclear development and has not given any chance to our Admin and others in EU to go in.

Democracy was also achieved through the same process in our country and the few notable EU members. Out of chaos, comes order and we have been through that but we did not abandon our country and never ran away, like your goodself did. If you were a true and sincere Iranian, you would have stayed in your country. You should have stood up for the rights of the people, including yours.

We do legitimate business with legitimate folks, who are in charge of a country. We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets. We have expressed our concern and told Iran that the world (EU and us) is watching. The people of Iran do have our best wishes and moral support for their success and progress.

We believe that ordinary folks like your goodself do not have any common sense and lack intelligence. Last time, our Admin listened to the Iraqis in our country and the EU, we were misled and all information provided was wrong. We went in to change a regime under the excuse and pretext of WMD and ended up in a mess. This has taught us a lesson that we should not believe in what any ex-of-anything says.

Both candidates are the same because they both represent their people. We have to recognise any who is officially declared In-Charge.
There is nothing that you and us can do. Of course, you reserve your right to sit and whine but you are not really there on the ground.

Yes, we know they are a cut from the same cloth and so are you. We are stuck up in Afghanistan, we have had it enough in Iraq and other countries under our previous administrations. Our President has travelled a lot before becoming President. He has been on ground in his young days and is aware of what is going on in the world.

That is why he gave the most vital speech in Egypt, addressed to the entire Muslim world, which was ignored by the past US regimes.

Iranians are very smart people. They love their country and cannot be bought. It was easy to buy the Afghan and the Iraqi forces. This Admin does not believe in toppling governments. We remember well, when our past Admin toppled the government of Mussaddeq on the request of the Brits and destroyed the democracy which was established. We listened to them and we ended up with loss of goodwill of people of Iran. We would like to see a strong dam and we are not into destroying dams and bridges. And we are also no more in the business of introducing cracks.

America's benefit is close to the heart of our President and that is why the majority of the Americans elected him. They did not believe in the foolish propaganda carried out by whiners writing from closets. We believe you do not want to see a strong Iran but you want to see it destroyed. We don't want that.

Regarding your whining about 911, Iran and other Muslim countries had nothing to do with it. Our past president and the military did not do a good job, when they rained Cruise missiles aimlessly and Bin Laden and his men managed to escape. 911 was his revenge and his doing. You may stop whining about that because we are moving forward.

We have made apologies to the Muslims. We do not consider Muslims terrorists. The terrorists happen to belong to Islam. We see a great potential, desire and eagerness in you to become a terrorist against Islam and the Muslims. We will not permit that and we do not consider runways as sincere to their nation, which they have abandoned.

We gave legitimacy to one thug and you have seen how many people he got killed, including our own sons of soil. We do give a damn and it is evident from the runaways, living in our land and milking us.

We believe that you are the greatest thug who is trying to fool people
and we are also happy to note that nobody knows you on the ground.

Israel is our friend. When a friend commits blunders and misbehaves, we must tell our friend to behave. We are sure your friends would do the same to you, when you misbehave. Perhaps, you do not know that many of our Jewish friends are anti-Zionists. Your letter sounds like it was written by some Jewish friend of yours.


Muslims hate Adolf Hitler and so do we. Our President has lived with Muslims and knows well that Muslims hate Hitler. Your Big Lie has not convinced anyone. We have read your lies and our decent and honorable citizens have already taken you to task for your silly and useless tirade against our President.

No wonder your juvenile letter was delivered to me by the White House gardener's little daughter.

We strongly suggest that you leave Canada and go back to where you came from, if you are a decent and caring Iranian who believes in standing up for his country. Whining does not help.

Yours was a silly but funny email and thus the reason for this reply.

We hope to see you as a man of character and conviction, standing out among the protestors in Teheran and please forward a pic to the White House.

Best Regards
Barber

- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 6:03 pm
Post subject:
Laughing Laughing Laughing
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 6:06 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing


You read it so fast? Laughing

Cheers, mate
BMZ
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 6:34 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing


You read it so fast? Laughing

Cheers, mate
BMZ


Not really, I started reading it then I cracked laughing so I posted my laughs while reading it, LOL
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 6:38 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing


You read it so fast? Laughing

Cheers, mate
BMZ


Not really, I started reading it then I cracked laughing so I posted my laughs while reading it, LOL


lol!

I have just posted the Presidential Barber's email reply on Ixolite's site also.

Hey, Ahmed! Is there a way, you can get those excellent irritating emoticons like the other Con sites have? Time for my Asr prayers.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 7:14 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Hey, Ahmed! Is there a way, you can get those excellent irritating emoticons like the other Con sites have? Time for my Asr prayers.

Salaams, mate
BMZ


Yeh mate we can of course, I just need to find the emotions you are talking about, can you sow me a sample?

cheers
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 7:49 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hey, Ahmed! Is there a way, you can get those excellent irritating emoticons like the other Con sites have? Time for my Asr prayers.

Salaams, mate
BMZ


Yeh mate we can of course, I just need to find the emotions you are talking about, can you show me a sample?

cheers


If you take a look at FFI or Ixolite's site, you will find the ones which I used excessively at FFI.

The big D ( Very Happy), mrgreen showing the teeth, and the D (rofl) rolling on the floor.

And from Islam Factor site ( http://islamfactor.org/index.php?s=&act=legends&CODE=emoticons&editor_id=ed-0 ) there are:

lmao

:lmao2:

:shooting4:

:laughpair:

:laughgather:

:O

Thanks
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 7:52 pm
Post subject:
I will need a bit of time to make this happen mate, just be patient with me and if I forget, please remind me

cheers
- Tue 23 Jun, 2009 7:56 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
I will need a bit of time to make this happen mate, just be patient with me and if I forget, please remind me

cheers


No hurry, mate. Take your time. And if possible, a whip for posters like skynightblaze. lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 1:32 pm
Post subject: FFI'S LATEST CLOWN RAJESH KUMAR
Hello, Ahmed

Can you invite this clown letstalk to write in this thread and discuss with us? The guy is really hilarious and has no substance.

His site: http://challenge2islam.wetpaint.com/thread

Looks like he needs a doze from you for his post #62:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2743

Give him a good one. Laughing

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 8:26 pm
Post subject: Re: HATEBAG LCD OF FFI:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to the FFI link: http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2670

I was reading about the troll LCD's whining, a jerk with massive hatred in his own heart, talking to the moderators in 'report a troll', complaining that another member hijacked his thread.

That forum is only visible to logged in members, have you set up a new account at your favourite cesspit/pig-sty i.e. FFI?

BMZ wrote:
The ignoramus does not know or prefers not to know that anti-Semitism originated and spread from the Christian lands in Europe and also showed it's ugly face in America.

I was glad to see some Kafirs coming to your defence and Ixolite gave him a one weak ban.

It is so hilarious that it makes one laugh his/her ass off. lol!

Salaams, mate
BMZ

Coming from someone who posted links to Stormfront as part of his refutation of the Holocaust, I believe that's a bit rich.
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 8:29 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.

Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 9:43 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.

Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


The source is the internet.
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 9:50 pm
Post subject: Re: HATEBAG LCD OF FFI:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to the FFI link: http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2670

I was reading about the troll LCD's whining, a jerk with massive hatred in his own heart, talking to the moderators in 'report a troll', complaining that another member hijacked his thread.


That forum is only visible to logged in members, have you set up a new account at your favourite cesspit/pig-sty i.e. FFI?

BMZ wrote:
The ignoramus does not know or prefers not to know that anti-Semitism originated and spread from the Christian lands in Europe and also showed it's ugly face in America.

I was glad to see some Kafirs coming to your defence and Ixolite gave him a one weak ban.

It is so hilarious that it makes one laugh his/her ass off. lol!

Salaams, mate
BMZ


Coming from someone who posted links to Stormfront as part of his refutation of the Holocaust, I believe that's a bit rich.


I have plenty of friends in London and I have two of them registered at FFI. I use their ID to read material which is not visible to passersby.

Neither of them writes on the FFI cesspool and nor do I write. However, I do read. Any objection?

Talking against the wrong-doings of Israel and not accepting the word Holocaust, does not make me or anyone an anti-Semitic, Aksel.

What the bastard Hitler and Nazi Germany did was wrong. Thank God, the fucking Nazi Germany was not a Muslim empire.

Also, not accepting the uproven and unsubstantiated figure of six million killed, does not make anyone an anti-Semitic.

If that is the measure then I must say that 70% of America and the EU is anti-Semitic, because the dispute on numbers comes from them. Even members of the Vatican are in reality anti-Semitic, if you know what I mean.

If I say that Nethanyahu is an idiot, it does not show that I am anti-Semitic.

Is Stormfront an Islamic site? lol! All the info comes from Western sources. They have done the research, not the Muslims. Did a Muslim open fire at the Museum recently?

Cheers
BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 9:54 pm
Post subject:
Rigel wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.

Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


The source is the internet.


Right, bro

The source is the internet.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/20/my-open-letter-to-barack-hussein-obama/

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: HATEBAG LCD OF FFI:
BMZ wrote:
Also, not accepting the uproven and unsubstantiated figure of six million killed, does not make anyone an anti-Semitic.

Perhaps not, but giving credit to the writing of the posters on an obvious Jew-hate-site like Stormfront is anti Semitic. If I tout the opinions of Ali Sina does that make me an anti-Islamic?
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:01 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Rigel wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.

Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


The source is the internet.


Right, bro

The source is the internet.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/20/my-open-letter-to-barack-hussein-obama/

Salaams
BMZ

That link only shows Ali's original letter, and googling the "Barber's response" text reveals nothing.

So, what's your source?
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:01 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.


Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


Aksel, Aksel

I thought you had a good sense of humour. Chill out, mate.

Even the Presidential Barber would not care to respond to Ali Sina's idiotic mail.

It was just plain fun, mate. Ali Sina writes so much junk and stuff and I thought it would be fun to do this for the clown. Please let the FFI goons know that I wrote it, not the Presidential barber.

Ali Sina is notoriously famous for writing emails to himself and answers himself under various accounts. Laughing

Did you enjoy that?

BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:03 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.


Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


Aksel, Aksel

I thought you had a good sense of humour. Chill out, mate.

Even the Presidential Barber would not care to respond to Ali Sina's idiotic mail.

It was just plain fun, mate. Ali Sina writes so much junk and stuff and I thought it would be fun to do this for the clown. Please let the FFI goons know that I wrote it, not the Presidential barber.

Ali Sina is notoriously famous for writing emails to himself and answers himself under various accounts. Laughing

Did you enjoy that?

BMZ

Ok thanks, it was a pretty funny letter.
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:12 pm
Post subject: Re: HATEBAG LCD OF FFI:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Also, not accepting the uproven and unsubstantiated figure of six million killed, does not make anyone an anti-Semitic.

Perhaps not, but giving credit to the writing of the posters on an obvious Jew-hate-site like Stormfront is anti Semitic. If I tout the opinions of Ali Sina does that make me an anti-Islamic?


I have never given credit to any Jew-hate-site. By the way, could you please let me know when and where did I quote any link from Stormfront?

Ali Sina is a confirmed Islam-hater and badmouths Islam, Allah, Prophet, Muslims and Qur'aan. So, if you tout him, It would make you anti-Islamic.

Muslims, on the other hand, only differ on the figures and the awarded name. Muslims do not deny that Jews were killed by the Nazis.

BMZ
- Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:14 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

Here is the reply to Ali Sina's email addressed to President Obama. The reply was sent by the President's barber, which is self-explanatory and is appended below for everyone's reading pleasure.

The barber has assured me that the reply can be posted on any website, freely.

Did Obama's Barber really write this? This line:

Quote:
We deal with real folks but we do not listen to and deal with fictitious cyber characters, wearing Burqas, hiding behind veils and sitting in closets.


Sounds like something you would write BMZ.

What's your source?


Aksel, Aksel

I thought you had a good sense of humour. Chill out, mate.

Even the Presidential Barber would not care to respond to Ali Sina's idiotic mail.

It was just plain fun, mate. Ali Sina writes so much junk and stuff and I thought it would be fun to do this for the clown. Please let the FFI goons know that I wrote it, not the Presidential barber.

Ali Sina is notoriously famous for writing emails to himself and answers himself under various accounts. Laughing

Did you enjoy that?

BMZ

Ok thanks, it was a pretty funny letter.


Thanks, Aksel.

This gives me an idea. I will come up with another on 1st April next year. Laughing

BMZ
- Thu 25 Jun, 2009 12:57 am
Post subject: Ahmed, who is this silly goon expozIslam?
Quote:
Re: Rajesh vs. Ahmed Bahgat

Postby expozIslam ????????????????????????????» Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:04 pm

"Even if AB wishes to, he cannot because he is known publicly and if he apostates, we know what is going to happen. So he has no choice but continue to appear dumb. Wink


Is he looking for your attention?

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 25 Jun, 2009 2:42 am
Post subject: AMAZING CONTRADICTION FREAKS OF FFI
It is quite common these days to see FFI goons and others like Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer, Abul Kasem talking about alleged contradictions in the verses of Qur'aan and these freaks do it through various translations in English, simply because not one of these goons really understands Arabic.

I don't know how these freaks ever passed their examination in English literature.

Recently, I have noticed a new goon, who is a Hindu and points out contradictions by giving the verse numbers and challenges others to debate. Roflmao! This is how he does:

Quote:
Quran claims in 4:82 that had it not been the Book of God, there would have been a lot of contradictions in it. And there are contradictions in it. Read the following verses in contrast:
41:11 vs. 21:30
54:19 vs. 69:6 and 69:7
42:31 vs. 5:55 and 9:71
45:14 and 109:6 vs. 9:5 and 9:29
52:35 vs. 19:9 and 19:67
57:22 vs. 53:39, 44:3 and 44:4
63:5 vs. 4:107
69:35 and 69:37 vs. 37:62 to 37:66

So Quran is proving itself to be NOT FROM GOD.

Waiting for your kind response,

Your well-wisher

Rajesh Kumar


He has then to wait and wait for a reply, which is not going to come, because the Muslim immediately knows that FFI's Rajesh Kumar does not even write what the contradiction did he find. And the emails will have to be accepted by his mentor and teacher Ali Sina.

http://challenge2islam.wetpaint.com/thread

And then there are other goons on FFI and other polemic sites, who keep on trying to argue on canopy, sky and tent. Roflmao, how did they make it past Grade 5? Beats me.

BMZ
- Thu 25 Jun, 2009 5:40 am
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Ok thanks, it was a pretty funny letter.


Your banning on FFI was unjustified,

If they will ban those who call others peadophile, then they should also ban those who call the Muslims paedophile worshippers, or what do you think?

Salam
- Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:49 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Ok thanks, it was a pretty funny letter.


Your banning on FFI was unjustified,

If they will ban those who call others peadophile, then they should also ban those who call the Muslims paedophile worshippers, or what do you think?

Salam


I am really surprised to read that Aksel was banned. It was not justified at all.

If FFI moderators and the site owners have any conscience, they should ban their own filthy site.

Most of the epileptic and megalomaniac posters at FFI, Faithfreedom International of Ali Sina are foaming at the mouth and pouring filth which is not supposed to be allowed at all on an international forum.

However, FFI is not a site for any serious discussion. It is like a bar, where hooligans and fucked up minds are letting out filth.

You will not believe me but I must say that even many of the famous apostates have written to me in their personal emails that they despise Ali Sina and his site Faith Freedom International (FFI). I am sorry I cannot disclose the names.

The FFI degenerates can never respect a person like Aksel Ankersen, who is a young man of substance and has a noble soul, while most of the FFI members are people of no substance.

The FFI cesspool is going down the drain and FFI members will bury it.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:02 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Ok thanks, it was a pretty funny letter.


Your banning on FFI was unjustified,

If they will ban those who call others peadophile, then they should also ban those who call the Muslims paedophile worshippers, or what do you think?

Salam

Probably, but that would defeat the purpose of the site.

Also, even in a legal sense Group Libel (hate speech) is less likely to have repercussions than libeling a specific person. Ali Sina has been libelling Obama for perhaps 12 months now, but President Obama is yet to notice.

BMZ wrote:
a person like Aksel Ankersen, who is a young man of substance and has a noble soul

Ah, you're too kind BMZ... I'm no better than an average man off the street, or forum.

Besides, they only gave me a temporary ban.
- Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:26 am
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
Ali Sina has been libelling Obama for perhaps 12 months now, but President Obama is yet to notice.


Ali Sina can libel Obama throughout his term and he will not notice, Aksel.

Obama may notice Maryam Namzie but definitely not Ali Sina, whom not many know on the ground.

Even if someone brings Ali Sina's tirade against him to his notice, Obama will laugh off this internet closet dweller. lol!

For libel and slander suits, it has to be a real person, who exists by that name. Ali Sina is the man's nickname and he calls himself Dr. Ali Sina. No University will grant a Ph.D under a nickname.

I did ask a lot of my friends and believe me, those educated folks had not even heard his name.

Good night

BMZ
- Fri 26 Jun, 2009 1:47 am
Post subject: SEE HOW MUSLIMS ARE CHALLENGED BY IGNORANT GOONS
I have told Ahmed to get me some nice emoticons. I needed one Roflmao here right now.

There is a poster at FFI, who goes by the name Rajesh Kumar aka letstalk and claims to be a student of Ali Sina. lol!

On Ixolite's site, skynightblaze wrote in response to my post, see here:

http://the-real-islam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=156&start=10

skynightblaze wrote:
Reply to the questions that Rajesh asked. Tell us how many days were the people of AD destroyed? 1 or 7-8 days.
Crap comments have been removed from the quote.

It shows me how ignorant are the FFI posters, who can't even understand and comprehend a simple translation. These "Contradiction" morons can see clearly that the punishment by wind-blasting lasted for seven nights and eight days continuously.

Now FFI goons and Rajesh Kumar will add them and come up with 15 days. Roflmao. I don't know who told Rajesh Kumar that there was a contradiction whether it lasted one day or 7-8 days?

Qur'aan only says the punishment lasted seven nights and eight days. I can assure the readers that FFI goons will not even be able to understand this line, emboldened by me. lol!

I have told skynightblaze to call Rajesh here or at Ixolite's site.
Their insanity knows no bounds.

First, they cannot read and understand translations in English and second the morons cannot even define the contradiction.

BMZ

@ Aksel

Please do not feel offended by the word goons and freaks, which I use for FFI freaks. I do not count you as one.
- Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:43 pm
Post subject: ALI SINA & YEEZEVEE AT THE WHITE HOUSE
After receiving lots of emails from Ali Sina, the President finally agreed to meet Ali Sina. But Ali Sina wrote back informing the President that he needed to bring along his minion yeezevee.

The President was in the office, waiting for Ali Sina and yeezevee to be shown in and as the staff announced the names of Ali Sina and yeezevee, the President rose to greet them.

To his surprise, the staff rolled in two locked closets on trolleys.

The President was shocked and asked, "What is this?"

The White House Chief of Staff replied, "Mr. President! They wish to remain hidden in a closet for their safety and security reasons. This is how they were delivered to us by FFI, not FBI."

The President replied, "Throw the closets away!"

BMZ
- Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:54 pm
Post subject:
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
a person like Aksel Ankersen, who is a young man of substance and has a noble soul


Ah, you're too kind BMZ... I'm no better than an average man off the street, or forum.

Besides, they only gave me a temporary ban.


In real life, I am a very kind and loving person, Aksel. Thanks. After the ban is lifted, please ignore those who can lead you to another ban.

FFI moderators are notoriously famous for that.

BMZ
- Sat 27 Jun, 2009 6:37 pm
Post subject:
Here is something for you bro BMZ that I posted on FFI for bin lyin:

Thumbnail, click to enlarge.


http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2908&p=48585#p48585

Laughing
- Sat 27 Jun, 2009 9:17 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Here is something for you bro BMZ that I posted on FFI for bin lyin:

Thumbnail, click to enlarge.


http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2908&p=48585#p48585

Laughing


Great!

So that is what he was really hiding all the time the "pubic" beard. lol!

Roflmao! I think he was nonstop asking for this. lol!

Could you please post this in the Slam Dunk topic on both sites?

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Sat 27 Jun, 2009 9:22 pm
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Here is something for you bro BMZ that I posted on FFI for bin lyin:

Thumbnail, click to enlarge.


http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2908&p=48585#p48585

Laughing


Great!

So that is what he was really hiding all the time the "pubic" beard. lol!

Roflmao! I think he was nonstop asking for this. lol!

Could you please post this in the Slam Dunk topic on both sites?

Salaams, mate
BMZ


Forgot to add, Ahmed. Can you please put that Holiday Inn towel on the head? It will be awesome! Laughing

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 28 Jun, 2009 7:37 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
Forgot to add, Ahmed. Can you please put that Holiday Inn towel on the head? It will be awesome! Laughing
Salaams
BMZ


Like this:

Thumbnail, click to enlarge.


Laughing
- Sun 28 Jun, 2009 1:05 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Forgot to add, Ahmed. Can you please put that Holiday Inn towel on the head? It will be awesome! Laughing
Salaams
BMZ


Like this:

Thumbnail, click to enlarge.


Laughing


Yes. And it was good that you made the towel dirty. Laughing

M bin Lying, who remains holed up in a lavatory, has been lying for so long that the towel cannot be a clean one. Laughing
- Sun 28 Jun, 2009 6:33 pm
Post subject: My questions to ex-Muslims at the Council
I have asked three questions to ex-Muslims on another site.

Ahmed, if possible, could you please ask the FFI ex-Muslims the same? I would like to see how do they spin this?

Quote:
I believe that it took the ex-Muslims a long time to renounce Islam and that is what I have noticed, looking at various
closet-apostates and others here.

My questions:

1. How does an ex-Muslim instantly start believing in things which he/she did not believe and never accepted?

For example, the ex-Muslim straight away acknowledges Israel, defends the actions of Israel, believes in the holocaust and the figure of six million Jews killed?

2. Most of the ex-Muslims are closet-apostates and they have not declared that even to their loved ones. And if any expires, he/she will be laid to rest according to Islamic rites led by a Maulana and attended by Muslims.

It would be like an "Ashaddal-Azaab" (Severe punishment) for the expired ex-Muslim to be subjected again to.

What have the ex-Muslims done to prevent this from happening?

Would appreciate an honest and frank to-the-point reply.

BMZ

- Sun 05 Jul, 2009 8:51 pm
Post subject: WHY DID PROPHET CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF PRAYER?
Lots of posters, on various sites, have always asked me to explain, why did Muhammad change the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Mecca?

Once the reasons are explained, then they start with intellectual masturbation and drfit away from the topic into discussing Abraham's caravan's route. Rofl!

I found another way to reply to various freaks and impolite posters
and that is to bring the situation in Palestine and Israel over the last 110 years.

Can everyone guess the answer now?

I really admire the vision and foresight of our dear Prophet who could envision this nuisance and crisis one thousand four hundred years ago.

Imagine millions and millions of Muslims would have been denied entry in to Israel and there will have been no pilgrimmage to the Holy Lands for the last one hundred plus years or so. Even the British colonialists would have been petrified. lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 08 Jul, 2009 2:25 am
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed,

Read this:

Quote:
Salvation is of the Jews

John 4:22 (Amplified Bible)

22You [Samaritans] do not know what you are worshiping [you worship what you do not comprehend]. We do know what we are worshiping [we worship what we have knowledge of and understand], for [after all] salvation comes from [among] the Jews.



Does "Qul Ya Ayyohal Kaafiroon" ring the bell better? Laughing

BMZ
- Sun 19 Jul, 2009 9:17 pm
Post subject: On the Subject of Hadith
Hello, Ahmed and all

Please read this interesting article for knowledge.

http://www.islamicreform.org

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 20 Jul, 2009 12:26 am
Post subject:
Thanks mate

Pretty interesting indeed

Cheers
- Wed 29 Jul, 2009 12:36 am
Post subject: SANITARIUM'S IDIOTIC POST ON TOPIX FORUMS
Hello, all

FFI is now going down the drain because there are not many Muslims writing on FFI.

FFI goons have now appeared at TOPIX Forums.

Please enjoy reading the link:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9

Sanitarium's Post:

Quote:

Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:
* Quran 3:54
* Quran 7:99
* Quran 8:30
* Quran 10:21
* Quran 13:42

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Makir

Now now, before you shout me down with "you're ignoring the context!" I must say it is irrelevant, because:

(a)You have a [supposedly] all-knowing being telling you he is the BEST deceiver. This is not a conditional statement (ie. it does not matter what the situation is).

(b) We can see in Quran 8:43-44 that Allah deceived Muslims (indeed Uswa Hasana himself!)
(c)Allah created Christianity by his deception.

So my question to you is, if an admitted "best liar in existence" tells you that he's not lying to you - he may even swear by the moon and the stars or somesuch.......would you believe him? How can you trust someone like that?

Thanks!


My response:
Quote:
@ Sanitarium

Hello Sani,

My nephew Chiclets has asked me to respond to your post.

What is the Arabic word for deceive?

And write out the following transliterated in Arabic:

"They deceive God."

Cheers
BMZ


And my additional post, addressed through my nephew:

Quote:
Does not matter, bhateejay.

She can consult the entire FFI and WikiIslam team and come back with an answer.

She can bring all the FFI goons here.

I did not ask her to write Arabic here. I asked her to transliterate.

If she does not know Arabic, then she should shut up, bhateejay.

Let us see what she comes up with. I want her to withdraw the bullshit she wrote and apologise for the balderdash she wrote.

Cheers
BMZ



This is going to be fun. Let us see how Sani wriggles out of this. Laughing

BMZ
- Wed 29 Jul, 2009 3:08 pm
Post subject: HELLO TO FFIERS, WHO ARE READING FI SILENTLY
Please go to the following link and help poor Sani of FFI and the silly WikiIslam (Sanitarium) out:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9

You can laugh out your arse there. Laughing

BMZ
- Sun 02 Aug, 2009 12:55 am
Post subject: ANOTHER HILARIOUS TOPIC AT FFI
Hello, all

Please read this hialrious topic at FFI. Now, there is a dearth of Muslims at FFI, so FFI Hindus have taken over.

This Hindu guy pranam writes a post and first says the girl is a Muslim. After a few posts, he forgets that and writes she is not a Muslim.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3329

BMZ
- Mon 03 Aug, 2009 7:12 pm
Post subject: SANI (SANITARIUM'S) BULLSHIT IS GETTING HILARIOUS
Hi, all

Enjoy this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9/p51#lastPost

lol!

BMZ
- Fri 07 Aug, 2009 6:38 pm
Post subject: SANITARIUM AND FFI GOONS AT TOPIX
I have noted that Ali Sina's FFI is already going down the drain, as most of the Muslim posters have left the Charlatan Ali Sina's site.

Most of the FFI goons can now be found here, along with the FFI Hindu Trolls:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9

Have fun.

BMZ
- Sun 09 Aug, 2009 11:33 am
Post subject: Another Goon at Topix
Hello, all

First, we had Sani, the idiot Savant and now there is another by the name Az Zaqqum.

Looks like another FFI goon.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T36HMQVHALE6GFFSS/p6#c115

BMZ
- Mon 10 Aug, 2009 4:53 pm
Post subject: THIS IS HILARIOUS: NO EX-MUSLIMS ON FFI
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3401&start=0&view=viewpoll

LOL!

DETAILS:

Jesus Freaks: 18

Muslims: 6

Jews: 2

Hindu Freaks: 9

Buddhists: 4

Atheists: 15

Ex-Muslims: 0

BMZ
- Sat 15 Aug, 2009 12:19 am
Post subject: Sanitarium of FFI is the Best Deceiver
Hello, all

Please enjoy reading both threads:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9/p198

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TJUJ5CD8K1GBBBCL3/p2

Rachel (Sanitarium) of FFI thinks that she is on FFI. lol!

BMZ
- Mon 17 Aug, 2009 3:12 pm
Post subject: SANITARIUM DISMISSED
Sani,

There was nothing worth addressing in your OP balderdash, except to grill you on your blatant lie and distortion of the English words.

Actually it is you who has been lying all the time and deceiving everyone.

It is too late now for you to try to wriggle and squirm out of this.

Additional balderdash of yours does not convince the international readers and all can see that you are not only a LIAR but a very Crafty and Shifty person.

Your game is up and you are a Cheat and a Liar, a fact which you cannot deny now!.

You have already dismissed and debunked yourself by writing down the verse number 2:9 yourself, after you were bombarded by me, asking you to translate and transliterate "They deceive Allah", which you could not do and never did.

2:9 mentioned numerically by you, shows you clearly the Arabic word for 'deceive' in Qur'aan.

And also shows and proves that you lied, deceived and cheated by writing "Allah is the best deceiver", while you knew or may be you were totally ignorant, like most of Ali Sina's FFI goons, that the right Qur'aanic Arabic word for 'deceive' was right there in Qur'aan in 2:9.

So, if you translate and transliterate 2:9, the Arabic word would not be 'makr' at all.

See how clearly you have been debunked?

The moral of the whole exercise is that do not tell a lie and speak no evil about Allah or Qur'aan, knowingly, when you yourself are an evil person, who is misinforming and misreporting by using Lies and Deceit.

And that shows how sick and perverted a Liar you are.

If you wish, you can copy and paste the translation and the transliteration but that would eb again like shooting your own foot again. Right?

LMAO!

You are hereby DISMISSED.

Good night

BMZ

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9/p213
- Mon 17 Aug, 2009 3:13 pm
Post subject: SANITARIUMS' FINAL DISMISSAL
Hello, all

Sanitarium of Ali Sina's FFI and WikiIslam has already been DISMISSED.

She was caught in her own web of lies and deceit, when she slipped and mentioned 2:9, while all the time through 200 plus pretty pages, she continued to translate in Arabic and transliterate "They deceive Allah", which was my challenge.

She distorted the English translation of the verses by replacing the word 'planner', etc., with 'deceiver' and was unable to show us the actual word for 'deceive in Qur'aan.

Sanitarium knew all along that she had lied and cheated.

Now that she has debunked herself by giving the reference number of the verse as 2:9, I am pleased to translate and transliterate "They deceive Allah" and here it is:

English: "They deceive Allah"

Arabic transliterated:

"YukhadiAAoona Allah"

Simple transliteration:

"Yukhadi-oo-nal-lah"

Now the readers can see the difference between "Yukhadioon" and "Makr".

Now that Sanitarium of Ali Sina's FFI and it's WikiIslam has been busted, here is the transliteration of 2:9 from the source that all the wretched and compulsive liars from FFI, Jiahd Watch and other polemicists love to copy from and quote:

YukhadiAAoona Allaha waallatheena amanoo wama yakhdaAAoona illa anfusahum wama yashAAuroona

Can any reader see the Arabic word "MAKR" or "MAKIR" in above? The answer is no.

I do not expect any apology coming from Sanitarium, so my advice to Sanitarium is:

"You can deceive your own friends and goons at FFI Cesspool, where you are protected by FFI's idiotic moderators, but do not try to deceive international readers on other sites.

Stop lying and providing misinformation."

@ Sanitarium

You have been DISMISSED.

BMZ

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TNMPDBOB7151KU2I9/p216
- Mon 17 Aug, 2009 5:25 pm
Post subject:
What I found after 9 years debating on the net, dear brother, that the kafirs will never concede their ignorance and arrogance, therefore let them sink into it

Take care
- Wed 19 Aug, 2009 3:20 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
What I found after 9 years debating on the net, dear brother, that the kafirs will never concede their ignorance and arrogance, therefore let them sink into it

Take care


Indeed, Ahmed

That is why, after making the point, I have stopped discussing that silly and idiotic OP of Sanitarium.

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 19 Aug, 2009 8:52 am
Post subject:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
What I found after 9 years debating on the net, dear brother, that the kafirs will never concede their ignorance and arrogance, therefore let them sink into it

Take care


Indeed, Ahmed

That is why, after making the point, I have stopped discussing that silly and idiotic OP of Sanitarium.

Salaams
BMZ



Alhamdulillah!
- Wed 19 Aug, 2009 1:30 pm
Post subject:
Rigel wrote:
BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
What I found after 9 years debating on the net, dear brother, that the kafirs will never concede their ignorance and arrogance, therefore let them sink into it

Take care


Indeed, Ahmed

That is why, after making the point, I have stopped discussing that silly and idiotic OP of Sanitarium.

Salaams
BMZ



Alhamdulillah!


Were you following that silly thread by Sanitarium, Rigel?

There was an influx of FFI goons in the topic but almost all fell silent and left Sani away.

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 19 Aug, 2009 10:44 pm
Post subject:
Were you following that silly thread by Sanitarium, Rigel?

There was an influx of FFI goons in the topic but almost all fell silent and left Sani away.

Salaams
BMZ



Salam brother BMZ,

Yes I been reading that thread and many others but I never liked it. I feel they do it to keep you folks buzy within their crap. Sani n goons are nobody, I think no sane person be it from any religion will accept their crap.

takecare!
- Fri 21 Aug, 2009 2:32 am
Post subject:
Rigel wrote:
Were you following that silly thread by Sanitarium, Rigel?

There was an influx of FFI goons in the topic but almost all fell silent and left Sani away.

Salaams
BMZ



Salam brother BMZ,

Yes I been reading that thread and many others but I never liked it. I feel they do it to keep you folks buzy within their crap. Sani n goons are nobody, I think no sane person be it from any religion will accept their crap.

Salaams, Rigel

You can't hammer these FFI goons on their cesspoool site, but at Topix, we can hammer them. That is the only advantage.

BMZ

takecare!

- Sat 22 Aug, 2009 7:54 pm
Post subject: Surah Nuh
Hello, Ahmed

I just love to recite Surah Noh. Such a beautiful ryhming.

Hope Sanitarium and other FFI goons have not read your translation:

Quote:


وَمَكَرُوا مَكْرًا كُبَّارًا

And they planned a tremendous plan.
[Al Quran ; 71:22]


The Lying Spirit of FFI, Sanitarium would then translate it as:

"And they deceived a tremendous deception." Laughing LMAO

That is how the FFI Kafir goon's mind works.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 06 Sep, 2009 11:43 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I was going through the FFI goons topics and read the link:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3430

And I noticed that FFI leading distortion chief Khalil Fariel has been unable to respond to two of your posts.

When challenged, these sickos cannot answer. Instead, I see FFI minions
littering the thread.

You can also see KhaliL was not even able to handle Perwaiz Mushtaq also.
One can see his irritation by being humiliated.

Quite a few FFI goons are now on Topix Forums. Looks like they have nothing much to talk at FFI. lol!

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 07 Sep, 2009 1:04 am
Post subject: Just for the knowledge of Muslims
It is quite common to see Christian plemicists, presenting mistranslations to show and prove that Jesus claimed to be the 'Son of God' and 'the King of Jews', when the fact is that he never claimed so.

The following verse is quoted:

Quote:
Matthew 27:
11Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.



My reply to a poster on another site was:

I have already burst this bubble, "Yes, it is as you say," before and please allow me to burst it again.

Jesus did not exactly say "Yes, it as you say."

You need to read other translations to get a clear picture. You cannot trust just NIV and KJV and other Veees.

Quote:
Matthew 27:11-14 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

Jesus Faces the Governor
11 Now Jesus stood before the governor.(A) "Are You the King of the Jews?" the governor asked Him.

Jesus answered, "You have said it."

"Matthew 27:11-14 (Young's Literal Translation)

11And Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor did question him, saying,`Art thou the king of the Jews!' And Jesus said to him,`Thou sayest.'"


Here come the biggest bubble bursters of them all:

[QUOTE] "Matthew 27:11-14 (New Century Version)

Pilate Questions Jesus
11 Jesus stood before Pilate the governor, and Pilate asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"

Jesus answered, "Those are your words."

"Matthew 27:11-14 (Contemporary English Version)

Pilate Questions Jesus
(Mark 15.2-5; Luke 23.3-5; John 18.33-3Cool
11Jesus was brought before Pilate the governor, who asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"

"Those are your words!" Jesus answered."

Here, Jesus is clearly accusing Pilate that he is the one who was saying that.

Jesus did not say that he was the one who said that. It was Pilate who had suggested that.

Any 5th Grader can know in a jiffy that it was suggested by Pilate.

Case Dismissed, not to be brought up again.

BMZ
- Sat 26 Sep, 2009 3:06 am
Post subject: Alert on Online Fraud
Most of the FFI goons and other freaks point out the following:

Quote:
078.033
YUSUFALI: And voluptuous women of equal age;
PICKTHAL: And voluptuous women of equal age;
SHAKIR: And voluptuous women of equal age;

Notice all three translations say voluptuous.


I have all the translations at home with me and the word VOLUPTUOUS does not exist in the above translations.

Can anyone provide link to any junk site that provides the above misinformation?

BMZ
- Sat 26 Sep, 2009 8:47 am
Post subject: Re: Alert on Online Fraud
BMZ wrote:
Most of the FFI goons and other freaks point out the following:

Quote:
078.033
YUSUFALI: And voluptuous women of equal age;
PICKTHAL: And voluptuous women of equal age;
SHAKIR: And voluptuous women of equal age;

Notice all three translations say voluptuous.


I have all the translations at home with me and the word VOLUPTUOUS does not exist in the above translations.

Can anyone provide link to any junk site that provides the above misinformation?

BMZ


I think man that the words Hoor Ein, should be translated simply as Beautiful women, nothing more and noothing less

Take care
- Sat 26 Sep, 2009 11:39 am
Post subject: Re: Alert on Online Fraud
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Most of the FFI goons and other freaks point out the following:

Quote:
078.033
YUSUFALI: And voluptuous women of equal age;
PICKTHAL: And voluptuous women of equal age;
SHAKIR: And voluptuous women of equal age;

Notice all three translations say voluptuous.


I have all the translations at home with me and the word VOLUPTUOUS does not exist in the above translations.

Can anyone provide link to any junk site that provides the above misinformation?

BMZ


I think man that the words Hoor Ein, should be translated simply as Beautiful women, nothing more and noothing less

Take care


You are right, Ahmed.

There is no need to translate using women with beautiful bosoms or boobs. I am really tired and sick of translations which do that, trying to put words according to hadith.

I find the translation by Muhsin Khan and Hilali to be a very poor translation, based on Saudi Mullah's interpretations.

Just to get an idea read their translation in 78:33 and 38:52

Thanks, mate

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 29 Sep, 2009 12:56 pm
Post subject: Are the four writers of the gospels accursed?
Just for the knowledge of those Muslims, who take part in debates and exchanges with polemic Christians

Are the four writers of the gospels accursed?

Yes, Paul says so:


Quote:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."


When Paul said that, there was no other gospel at all. There were no gospels even during his own life time.

Let Matthew, Mark, Luke and John be accursed!

BMZ
- Mon 02 Nov, 2009 10:59 pm
Post subject: the stagyrite at FFI
Hello, Ahmed

Who is this new Jesus freak "the stagyrite" at FFI?

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 29 Nov, 2009 12:55 pm
Post subject: Polemic Christians trying to prove that Jesus is God
Just for the information and knowledge of readers here:

John 14:7-9 is usually quoted to show Philip asking Jesus to show him God. And it is used to show as if Jesus meant he was God and Philip did not know. lol!

In order to prove that, a poster on another site wrote:

Quote:
John 14:7-9 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us."Yashua said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. Why do you ask then,'Show us the Father?'
John 9:37 And Yahushua unto him, Thou hast both seen Him, and it is he that talketh with thee.


Look at above and you will see how craftily 9:37 has been added in above.

I wrote:

"I am not sure if you wrote that yourself or copied from some article but the above presentation is definitely incorrect.

The reason: John 14:7-9 has nothing to do with John 9:37 as these are different occasions, when Jesus spoke.

John 9:37 does not support at all that this was said to Philip.

Putting the two verses from two different chapters to make a point is wrong.

Now, the copies of the ancient manuscripts should be the same from which all translators are copying. Right?

Let me show you what transpired by quoting a translation from ASV (American Standard Version):

John 9: "35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and finding him, he said, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, And who is he, Lord, that I may believe on him?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and he it is that speaketh with thee."

So, here, Jesus was not confirming he was God.

This passage only confirms that Jesus was claiming to be the Son of God, not God. And this was not the answer given to Philip, who was forcing him to show God, whom no one can see and no one has ever seen.

You can check with WWE NT also:

" 35Jesus heard that the people had put him out. When he found him, he said,`Do you believe in the Son of God?'

36He answered,'Sir, who is the Son of God? Tell me, so that I may believe in him.'

37Jesus said,`You have already seen him. The person who is talking to you now, he is the Son of God.'"

Please check many translations and you will notice the misinformation provided.

And no such information can be found in the three synoptic gospels at all.

Cheers
BMZ"

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 29 Nov, 2009 12:58 pm
Post subject: Just for info
Quote:
Luke 23 Pilate asked Yahushua,'Are you the king of the Jews?''...Yes, it is as you say...' Yahushua replied."


Let us see what WWE NT says:

"Luke 23:1-4 (Worldwide English (New Testament))

1Then all the people got up and took Jesus to Pilate.

2They began to make a complaint against him. They said,`This man is leading our people to do wrong. He says we should not pay taxes to Caesar. He says that he is Christ, a King.'

3Then Pilate asked Jesus,'Are you the King of the Jews?" Jesus answered,`Yes, I am.'

4Pilate said to the chief priests and to the people,'I find nothing wrong in this man.'"

Do you see what I see?

The men accused him of calling himself Christ, a King. Right?

And according to verse 3, Jesus is reported to have said, "Yes, I am".

And Pilate found nothing wrong with it?

If he had said, "Yes", Pilate would not have said that. lol!

Now, look at this from New Century Version to get a clear picture. Jesus never claimed to be a King.

"2 They began to accuse Jesus, saying, "We caught this man telling things that mislead our people. He says that we should not pay taxes to Caesar, and he calls himself the Christ, a king."

3 Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the king of the Jews?"

Jesus answered, "Those are your words."

4 Pilate said to the leading priests and the people, "I find nothing against this man."

This translation gives a clear picture.

That is why Pilate said he found nothing wrong with the man.

We cannot rely on just a few translations. Once we read many, we find the glaring flaws and blunders.

Cheers
BMZ
- Wed 23 Dec, 2009 11:18 am
Post subject: How did Paul write Hebrews 1 and his letters
Just for information of Muslims, who debate Christians. To show that God said that Jesus was God of God, we are shown Hebrews 1 and the following version is quoted to show that.

Please see this:

Quote:
Hebrews 1 (New International Version)

Hebrews 1

The Son Superior to Angels

1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father"? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." 7In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire." 8But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.

9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy." 10He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end." 13To which of the angels did God ever say,
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet"? 14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?


But if one looks at this, one can see how Paul wrote Hebrews 1.


Quote:
Hebrews 1 (New International Reader's Version)

Hebrews 1

The Son Is Greater Than the Angels

1 In the past, God spoke to our people through the prophets. He spoke at many times. He spoke in different ways. 2 But in these last days, he has spoken to us through his Son. He is the one whom God appointed to receive all things. God made everything through him. 3 The Son is the gleaming brightness of God's glory. He is the exact likeness of God's being. He uses his powerful word to hold all things together. He provided the way for people to be made pure from sin. Then he sat down at the right hand of the King, the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became higher than the angels. The name he received is more excellent than theirs.

5 God never said to any of the angels,
"You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father." ?????????????????????¢??(Psalm 2:7)
Or,
"I will be his Father.
And he will be my Son." ?????????????????????¢??(2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chronicles 17:13)

6 God's first and only Son is over all things. When God brings him into the world, he says,
"Let all of God's angels worship him." ?????????????????????¢??(Deuteronomy 32:43)

7 Here is something else God says about the angels.
"God makes his angels to be like winds.
He makes those who serve him to be like flashes of lightning." ?????????????????????¢??(Psalm 104:4)

8 But here is what he says about the Son.
"You are God. Your throne will last for ever and ever.
Your kingdom will be ruled by what is right.
9 You have loved what is right and hated what is evil.
So your God has placed you above your companions.
He has filled you with joy by pouring the sacred oil on your head." ?????????????????????¢??(Psalm 45:6,7)

10 He also says,
"Lord, in the beginning you made the earth secure. You placed it on its foundations.
The heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will pass away. But you remain.
They will all wear out like a piece of clothing.
12 You will roll them up like a robe.
They will be changed as a person changes clothes.
But you remain the same.
Your years will never end." ?????????????????????¢??(Psalm 102:25-27)

13 God never said to an angel,
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your control." ?????????????????????¢??(Psalm 110:1)

14 All angels are spirits who serve. God sends them to serve those who will receive salvation.

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)


So, Paul just wrote the opening lines and the last line , which I have emboldened and fitted in forged verses from the Jewish Tanakh.

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 23 Feb, 2010 3:54 pm
Post subject: For Muslims: The Marriage Of Prophet & Ayesha
Just for info:

Here is a response to some polemic Jesus Freaks and ex-Muslims and other goons,:

Prophet taught and explained Qur'aan.

The key words are 'Marry women" in Qur'aan.

There are no such verses telling men or prophet to "Marry little girls". lol!

Prophet's own daughter Fatima, born in 605, was married to Ali when she was about 18 in 623 AD.

Ayesha was also born in 605 AD. Both were almost the same age.

If as alleged, prophet had married Ayesha at six or 9, Fatima would have asked, "Dad! What are you doing?" lol!

So, the goons here should forget these two garbage ahaadith which are similar to the garbage in the New Testament and instead read Qur'aan, which clearly tells to marry the girls when they have attained adulthood and mental strength.

A little girl may get her periods but she is not considered an adult.

Another point is that Ayesha's parents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, prophet's other wives, companions and the people of the tribe had not grumbled and had not accused him at all.

Even his enemies, the Jews, Christians and the pagan Meccans and nobody else reported that Muhammad married a little girl.

Nobody discussed the age of Ayesha and here we have Jesus freaks and other non-Muslim goons talking about it based on a rotten hadith.

Ayesha was present with other ladies at the Battle of Uhud, when boys under fourteen were turned back as Prophet never allowed anybody under fourteen in the battles and she was not married to him then.

Thus she would have been 17-18 when she became Prophet's wife.

Salaams

BMZ
- Wed 24 Feb, 2010 4:34 am
Post subject: Re: For Muslims: The Marriage Of Prophet & Ayesha
BMZ wrote:
Just for info:

Here is a response to some polemic Jesus Freaks and ex-Muslims and other goons,:

Prophet taught and explained Qur'aan.

The key words are 'Marry women" in Qur'aan.

There are no such verses telling men or prophet to "Marry little girls". lol!

Prophet's own daughter Fatima, born in 605, was married to Ali when she was about 18 in 623 AD.

Ayesha was also born in 605 AD. Both were almost the same age.

If as alleged, prophet had married Ayesha at six or 9, Fatima would have asked, "Dad! What are you doing?" lol!

So, the goons here should forget these two garbage ahaadith which are similar to the garbage in the New Testament and instead read Qur'aan, which clearly tells to marry the girls when they have attained adulthood and mental strength.

A little girl may get her periods but she is not considered an adult.

Another point is that Ayesha's parents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, prophet's other wives, companions and the people of the tribe had not grumbled and had not accused him at all.

Even his enemies, the Jews, Christians and the pagan Meccans and nobody else reported that Muhammad married a little girl.

Nobody discussed the age of Ayesha and here we have Jesus freaks and other non-Muslim goons talking about it based on a rotten hadith.

Ayesha was present with other ladies at the Battle of Uhud, when boys under fourteen were turned back as Prophet never allowed anybody under fourteen in the battles and she was not married to him then.

Thus she would have been 17-18 when she became Prophet's wife.

Salaams

BMZ


Salam bro

Not even the prophet ever said that he married her when she was a child

Cheers
- Wed 24 Feb, 2010 4:27 pm
Post subject:
Exactly, Ahmed

Nobody talked about her age.

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Thu 25 Feb, 2010 11:15 pm
Post subject: Khomeini's Volume 4 Fraud
Hello, Ahmed

I have been trying to post but I cannot go through.

Anyway, I hope this gets posted.

Most of the FFI goons and other freaks always quote rubbish and claim it to be from Khomeini's Book Tahrirul Vasila Volume 4.

There are no Volumes 3 and 4. The book is in only two volumes.

The insanity of the goons knows no bounds.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 26 Feb, 2010 3:18 am
Post subject:
Salam bro

I think the problem may be related to your computer, try to delete the cookies and temp internet files and let me know please, however your post above was posted

Take care
- Sat 27 Feb, 2010 3:34 am
Post subject: Polemic Christians' objection to Abraham settling Hagar & Ismael
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam bro

I think the problem may be related to your computer, try to delete the cookies and temp internet files and let me know please, however your post above was posted

Take care


I did that, Ahmed

Let us try this:

Bible is not a text book of History and it is not an authority on the trade routes in the entire ancient region.

It does not even know the exact route that Abraham took. Just because Abraham settled in Hebron, does not mean he was travelling only on Egypt-Hebron donkey route. lol!

Abraham was the most travelled prophet. He started from Ur, in modern Iraq and there were trading caravans plying Ur to Damascus, Jeddah, Mecca, Madina, Tabuk onto Egypt. So, they were various routes. The biblical Ur-Syria-Hebron route is not the only route he travelled.

The biblical Paran is the wilderness of the modern day Sinai Peninsula, in which stands the alleged Mt. Sinai, which is not the mount that Moses went up. That is another story to discuss.

The Bible does not say how far did he go to settle Hagar and his First-Born and how long was he away. Nothing. Zilsch. Bible only says that he settled the mother and the boy in the isolated wilderness of Paran.

He would not have thrown his wife and his First-Born on the rocks in the wilderness. There were caravans travelling along the Egypt-Sinai-Tabook-Medina-Mecc a-Jeddah route and he must have settled them in Mecca and of course the Bible does not know that.

The Bible only knows that the jealous and vindictive Sarah wanted Hagar and the son out. She and her cohorts did not know where did Abraham settle them.

Who would be the best bet to tell their History? The Hebrews and the Jews or the Christian clergy? That would come from the generations of Ismail. And the Meccan tribe of Quraish came from Ishmael. We don't need Christian 'one short-passage-historians' to tell that.

If Abraham could travel to Hebron, from Ur via Syria, the distance was about 1,000 miles. Why could he not travel 750 miles towards Mecca?

The moral of the story is that the accounts of the Bible cannot be trusted.

Now, here is something to show a big blunder that caught my attention when I was re-reading Genesis account on Abraham. Enjoy this Mother of All Blunders:

NIV-Genesis 18:10 Then one of them said,?????????????????????¢??I will return to you about this time next year, and your wife, Sarah, will have a son!?????????????????????¢??????????????????????
Sarah was listening to this conversation from the tent. Abraham and Sarah were both very old by this time, and Sarah was long past the age of having children. So she laughed silently to herself and said,?????????????????????¢??How could a worn-out woman like me enjoy such pleasure, especially when my master?????????????????????¢??my husband?????????????????????¢??is also so old??????????????????????¢??????????????????????

Now the Old man and the old woman start travelling:

Genesis 20

Abraham Deceives Abimelech

Abraham moved south to the Negev and lived for a while between Kadesh and Shur, and then he moved on to Gerar.

While living there as a foreigner, Abraham introduced his wife, Sarah, by saying,?????????????????????¢??She is my sister.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? So King Abimelech of Gerar sent for Sarah and had her brought to him at his palace.

But that night God came to Abimelech in a dream and told him,?????????????????????¢??You are a dead man, for that woman you have taken is already married!?????????????????????¢??????????????????????

Looks like Abimelech was 300 years old and the old woman Sarah, appeared like a girl to him. How worried a 100+ Abraham was for his 85+ wife! Roll Eyes

Moral of the Story: The Bible cannot be trusted on the tales told in. See, this tale makes a mockery of those who wrote it and those who still read and defend it!

BMZ
- Sat 06 Mar, 2010 5:12 am
Post subject: Just for knowledge: I wrote this on a Jewish Site
RE: According to the Qur'an Jews were writing books, which were not from God (Titled by the polemic Christian)

Hi everyone,

Now that George has opened a can of worms, I need to address his post, which has misreporting. Whether those were Jews or Christians living in Arabia, does not matter as they had the same scriptures in some form. The post may get longer, so please excuse me for that.

Qur'aan addresses both the Jews and the Christians as Ahlal-Kitaab, which means People of the Book. The Book here does not mean a well-bound book but Scriptures given by God to Prophets. Qur'aan mainly talks about the Torah given to Moses and the Injeel given to Jesus. It also says that Scriptures were revealed to other Prophets even before Jesus and Muhammad.

Now neither the entire Jewish Tanakh was given to Moses nor the entire New Testament was given to Jesus at all. The Jews did not have just the Torah scrolls or tablets but they also had a lot of Oral Torah.

The writings that form the Jewish Tankah, were collected in the 5th or 6th Century BCE and the Jewish Canon was established in the 3rd Century BC. There is no original of what Moses had personally written.

Qur'aan accuses both the Jews and the Christians of writing in things or adding in, which were not approved by God. There were also scribal errors and misreports.

I do not wish to go into describing a lot but I will point out one, which tells the Jews not to charge interest to their own but allowed them to charge interest to a foreigner.

Definitely, such instruction could not have come from God.

Another of no great consequence but worth mentioning is why would Abraham introduce Sarah as sister in Genesis 12, when that did not work and God had to save her.

Genesis 18 tells us she was very old and in Genesis 20, we are told the same story that Abraham told Abimelech that Sarah, an old lady, was his sister and Sarah had also said that he was her brother. Same story and God had to intervene again to save her. The lie did not work anyway.

As for Christians, Qur'aan accuses them of writing books and presenting to people that these are from God, when none of them is from God at all.

This verse 2:113 is addressed jointly to the Jews, the Christians and the Meccan pagans:

Quote:2:113 The Jews say that the Christians have nothing (of the Truth) and the Christians say that the Jews have nothing of it, though both read the Scripture. And those who have no knowledge of the Scripture also make similar claims. Allah will surely give His judgement on the Day of Resurrection in all the matters in which they differ.


These are addressed to the Christians and they are also called People of the Book:

Quote:2:116They say "Allah has taken a son." Allah is above such things. As a matter of fact, whatever is in the heavens and on the earth belongs to Him and all are obedient to Him.


Quote:3:78 And there is a party among them who twist their tongues while reciting the Book to make you think that it is part of the Book when in fact it is not. They say: 'It is from Allah', when in fact it is not from Allah. They falsely fix a lie upon Allah, and do so wittingly.


Quote: 4:171 People of the Book! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and attribute to Allah nothing except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and His command that He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him (which led to Mary's conception). So believe in Allah and in His Messengers, and do not say: (Allah is a) trinity. Give up this assertion; it would be better for you. Allah is indeed just one God. Far be it from His glory that He should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth. Allah is sufficient for a guardian.


Quote:5:15 People of the Book! Now Our Messenger has come to you: he makes clear to you a good many things of the Book which you conceal, and also passes over many things. There has now come to you a light from Allah, and a clear Book.


God has been angry with people many times and showed His anger and displeasure by cursing and sending woes through prophets and peaceful and loving Jesus also did that and so did God through Qur'aan.

How can Qur'aan be wrong, when it accuses Christians of writing scriptures and telling people that they are from God, when they are not. The Old Testament is a copy of the Jewish Tanakh but it has already been forged, where it was necessary to show Jesus and also to use the verses of the Jewish Tanakh to show that Jesus was God of God. This kind of corruption or forgery is deplored by Qur'aan.

I will present some glaring examples of forgeries:

Quote:Pslam 2:10-12 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."


There is no Kiss the Son in the Jewish Scriptures.

I had often wondered how could God say this about Jesus in Hebrews 1,

"God, your throne will last forever and ever."

And I found that Paul wrote a few words and added on the verses from the Jewish Tanakh or its poor copy OT and compiled Hebrews 1. This is a clear example of men who wrote a scripture themselves and passed it off as coming from God.

I am appending below Hebrews 1 for an easy reference and I have emboldened the parts which Paul fitted in by copying and pasting and the rest is what he wrote himself

Hebrews 1

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets many times and in many different ways.2 But now in these last days God has spoken to us through his Son. God has chosen his Son to own all things, and through him he made the world.3 The Son reflects the glory of God and shows exactly what God is like. He holds everything together with his powerful word. When the Son made people clean from their sins, he sat down at the right side of God, the Great One in heaven.4 The Son became much greater than the angels, and God gave him a name that is much greater than theirs.

5 This is because God never said to any of the angels,
"You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father." ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 2:7

Nor did God say of any angel,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son." ?????????????????????¢?? 2 Samuel 7:14

6 And when God brings his firstborn Son into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 97:7
7 This is what God said about the angels:
"God makes his angels become like winds.
He makes his servants become like flames of fire." ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 104:4

8 But God said this about his Son:
"God, your throne will last forever and ever.
You will rule your kingdom with fairness.
9 You love right and hate evil,
so God has chosen you from among your friends;
he has set you apart with much joy." ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 45:6?????????????????????¢??7

10 God also says,
"Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,
and your hands made the skies.
11 They will be destroyed, but you will remain.
They will all wear out like clothes.
12 You will fold them like a coat.
And, like clothes, you will change them.
But you never change,
and your life will never end." ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 102:25?????????????????????¢??27

13 And God never said this to an angel:
"Sit by me at my right side
until I put your enemies under your control."[b] ?????????????????????¢?? Psalm 110:1


14 All the angels are spirits who serve God and are sent to help those who will receive salvation.

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 23 Mar, 2010 5:05 pm
Post subject: Hello, Ahmed
Salaams, mate

Have you completely read the translation of Qur'aan by Free Minds? Who are these folks? Did you find the translation good?

I have been asked to comment on that translation but I do not have time to read and comment on it.

Please let me know.

BMZ
- Wed 24 Mar, 2010 4:33 am
Post subject: Re: Hello, Ahmed
BMZ wrote:
Salaams, mate

Have you completely read the translation of Qur'aan by Free Minds? Who are these folks? Did you find the translation good?

I have been asked to comment on that translation but I do not have time to read and comment on it.

Please let me know.

BMZ


Salam dear brother

I read most of it, it is not that bad actually, but they committed fatal mistakes, in addition to that, the man who translated it "Layth" the owner of Free Minds cannot be trused because he promotes that Hajj should be to Jerusalem, for him those who do Hajj in Meccah are idol worshippers, so I have to dismiss him along with his translation, that wont stop me though from supporting anything right he says or anyone for that matter

And possibly that is why I have to dismiss his trnalsation because it have to serve it purpose through what he wrongly promotes about Islam

He will never hate hadith as much as I do, yet I did not deny the practical sunnah that we inherited, he seems to deny it

Salam mate
- Wed 24 Mar, 2010 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Hello, Ahmed
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Salaams, mate

Have you completely read the translation of Qur'aan by Free Minds? Who are these folks? Did you find the translation good?

I have been asked to comment on that translation but I do not have time to read and comment on it.

Please let me know.

BMZ


Salam dear brother

I read most of it, it is not that bad actually, but they committed fatal mistakes, in addition to that, the man who translated it "Layth" the owner of Free Minds cannot be trused because he promotes that Hajj should be to Jerusalem, for him those who do Hajj in Meccah are idol worshippers, so I have to dismiss him along with his translation, that wont stop me though from supporting anything right he says or anyone for that matter

And possibly that is why I have to dismiss his trnalsation because it have to serve it purpose through what he wrongly promotes about Islam

He will never hate hadith as much as I do, yet I did not deny the practical sunnah that we inherited, he seems to deny it

Salam mate


Thank you, Ahmed for the heads up.

I will read later and see how good that translation is.

Take care, mate

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 25 Mar, 2010 6:13 pm
Post subject: Genesis: Abraham & Sarah
Ahmed and all,

Please read Genesis 18 first and note that Sarah was an old lady:

Quote:
Genesis 18:11 (New Living Translation)

Abraham and Sarah were both very old by this time, and Sarah was long past the age of having children.


And now read Genesis 20:

Quote:
Genesis 20 (New Living Translation)

Abraham Deceives Abimelech

1 Abraham moved south to the Negev and lived for a while between Kadesh and Shur, and then he moved on to Gerar. While living there as a foreigner, 2 Abraham introduced his wife, Sarah, by saying, ?????????????????????¢??She is my sister.?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? So King Abimelech of Gerar sent for Sarah and had her brought to him at his palace.

3 But that night God came to Abimelech in a dream and told him, ?????????????????????¢??You are a dead man, for that woman you have taken is already married!?????????????????????¢??????????????????????

4 But Abimelech had not slept with her yet, so he said, ?????????????????????¢??Lord, will you destroy an innocent nation? 5 Didn?????????????????????¢??t Abraham tell me, ?????????????????????¢??She is my sister?????????????????????¢??? And she herself said, ?????????????????????¢??Yes, he is my brother.?????????????????????¢?? I acted in complete innocence! My hands are clean.?????????????????????¢??????????????????????

6 In the dream God responded, ?????????????????????¢??Yes, I know you are innocent. That?????????????????????¢??s why I kept you from sinning against me, and why I did not let you touch her. 7 Now return the woman to her husband, and he will pray for you, for he is a prophet. Then you will live. But if you don?????????????????????¢??t return her to him, you can be sure that you and all your people will die.?????????????????????¢??????????????????????

8 Abimelech got up early the next morning and quickly called all his servants together. When he told them what had happened, his men were terrified. 9 Then Abimelech called for Abraham. ?????????????????????¢??What have you done to us??????????????????????¢?????????????????????? he demanded. ?????????????????????¢??What crime have I committed that deserves treatment like this, making me and my kingdom guilty of this great sin? No one should ever do what you have done! 10 Whatever possessed you to do such a thing??????????????????????¢??????????????????????

11 Abraham replied, ?????????????????????¢??I thought, ?????????????????????¢??This is a godless place. They will want my wife and will kill me to get her.?????????????????????¢?? 12 And she really is my sister, for we both have the same father, but different mothers. And I married her. 13 When God called me to leave my father?????????????????????¢??s home and to travel from place to place, I told her, ?????????????????????¢??Do me a favor. Wherever we go, tell the people that I am your brother.?????????????????????¢???????????????????????¢??????????????????????


Looks like the king was a 300 hundred years old man, who went crazy for an old lady. Roll Eyes

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 26 Mar, 2010 7:47 pm
Post subject:
Laughing Laughing
- Sat 27 Mar, 2010 12:22 am
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Laughing Laughing


Sure, this was written under SOME divine inspiration. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Bounce Laugh
- Sat 27 Mar, 2010 4:45 am
Post subject: To Muslim friends
Just for knowledge:


A Christian wrote and I quote:

Quote:
BMZ,

Muhammad thought that Christians held to a Trinity consisting of Mary. Which is not, nor has ever been, the case.

Apparently it is in the Quran

The Angel Gabriel would have known that, therefore would not have passed on the notion to Muhammad.

To put it another way, it would not be in the Quran!


My reply:

I have demolished this accusation before many times and I will do it again.

Qur'aan attacks Trinity in two verses, without mincing any words, in 4:171 and 5:73 clearly and you will notice that Mary is not at all mentioned in the following verses and I have done a simple translation myself:

4:171 "People of the Book! Do not cross the line in your religion and do not speak anything against Allah except the truth. Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, was Allah?????????????????????¢??s messenger and a fulfillment of word, He had conveyed to Mary and a soul from Him.

So believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say, "Three"! Desist! It would be better for you. Indeed Allah is the only One God. He is too high above in glory to have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and Allah is enough as a Guardian."

5:73 Indeed, those people have lied, who say, "Allah is one of the three.", when there is no deity beside the One God. If they do not desist from what they say, then they will be punished severely.

Notice that the above verses are crystal clear and only talk about Trinity and condemn it. You would not even see the name of Mary in the above verses, as it is not there.

Now, we go to the false accusation that: "Muhammad thought that Christians held to a Trinity consisting of Mary. Which is not, nor has ever been, the case. apparently it is in the Quran."

This is a very silly claim made by the polemicists. Yes, the verse is in Qur'aan and here it is:

5:116 Allah said, "Jesus, son of Mary! Did you tell people, "Worship me and my mother as deities beside God?"

Jesus said, "Glory to You. Never could I have said what I had no right to say. If I had said it, you would have surely known. You are aware of all in my mind and I do not know what is in Yours. Only you know all the hidden things."

Note that here, there is NO talk of Trinity at all. You need to read the
section 5:116-119 in order to be able to understand 5:116 and this is a scenario QUESTION that Allah will ask Jesus on the Day of Judgment.

Why would the question be asked that way?

The answer is that the Catholics, the majority of Christians do pray to Mary and people back then also did.

Christianity was also not exactly the same as it is today, with 70 plus sects.

I am sure you know about "Hail Holy Queen". Even the Pope, when he was shot, prayed only to Mary, not God and not to Jesus.

PS to Muslims: Please copy and save this write up for your discussions anywhere you like.

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 31 Mar, 2010 4:39 am
Post subject: Just for knowledge:
A polemic Christian wrote:

Quote:
EXCHANGING SALAAM WITH NON-MUSLIMS

The Prophet said:

"Do not greet the Jews and the Christians with salaam." However, if they salaam first, we may reply by saying "wa alaykum" (and upon you)." (Bukhari and Muslim)

im sick of debating muslims that dont know their faith


My reply:

Why did you not ask me? I would have settled this within a few minutes.

Now, we do not need an idiotic hadith from Bukhari and Muslim. I have written here on other threads that a Hadith must be checked under the light and shade of Qur'aan.

Under the light and shade and scrutiny of Qur'aan, the above hadith quoted falls flat, just like Christianity falls flat, when its scripture is scrutinized under the Jewish Holy Scriptures and Qur'aan.

Qur'aan does not forbid greeting non-Muslims with Salaam alaikum or in Qur'aan's Arabic Salaamun Alaikum.

Here it is 28:55 and applies to Jews, Christians, pagans and other polemicists:

Quote:
واذا سمعوا اللغو اعرضوا عنه وقالوا لنا اعمالنا ولكم اعمالكم سلام عليكم لانبتغي الجاهلين


"Wa-itha samiAAoo allaghwa aAAradoo AAanhu waqaloo lana aAAmaluna walakum aAAmalukum salamun AAalaykum la nabtaghee aljahileen"

"And when they heard vain talk, they withdrew from it, saying, "Our deeds are for us and your deeds are for you: peace be on you: we do not seek the way of the ignorant.""

'They' in above, refers to Muslims.

Salaamun alaikum, same as Salaam alaikum.

BMZ
- Wed 31 Mar, 2010 5:34 am
Post subject:
That must be added to the slam dunk show, mate
- Wed 31 Mar, 2010 12:35 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
That must be added to the slam dunk show, mate


Yes, Ahmed

Just look at the idiots. They have not even read and understood Qur'aan and bring the crap up.

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 06 Apr, 2010 2:56 pm
Post subject: Ali Sina is Christian Prince on YouTubes
This is the latest news and has been confirmed by some of my close contacts and other sources.

May be most of you here, know by now.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 10 Apr, 2010 1:08 am
Post subject: Something new to think about
Everyone knows that I dislike Paul, the self-loathing sinner.

I have something new for all to think about and bring to the attention of polemic Christians:

"Galatians 1:7-8

If we or an angel from heaven should preach to you any message other than that which we preached to you, let him be accursed."

Another version:

"Galatians 1:8 (New International Version)

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"

Now, please mark the time, the period and keep in mind the person who said that.

Question: Who were the people, who then stand eternally condemned?

Answer: All those people who created various Doctrines, Trinity and the Triune God because that was not preached by Paul and those with him.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 11 Apr, 2010 4:02 pm
Post subject: Hilarious Clown and Goons of FFI
Hello, Ahmed

I read the silly topic:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6350

And thanks for debunking the clueless fool by telling him:

Quote:
Dr Bum

Read the verse again, it was what Ibrahim said to his father and family, you confused


Cheers


Well said.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 11 Apr, 2010 4:15 pm
Post subject: This was a brilliant reply
Hello, Ahmed

Your post at FFI:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6015&start=100

Quote:
skynightblaze wrote:


Is there something called as freedom of speech in the muslim world?




Quote:
Ahmed wrote

Haven't I told you before, kid, to address me as Dad?

Well, I am sure you realized that a decent father like me cannot be the dad of a manipulated ex cows, elephants and rats worshipper teen like you, so thanks for that

Now, I am not living in a Muslim world, confused kid, I am living in a kafir world, consequently, i apply your kafir laws on you kafirs, so let me fix your confusion, what you are after is not the freedom of speech, as I appreciate the freedom of speech, what you are after is the freedom of attack, which canot be appreciated whatsoever, however it can only be merited, so you attack when you have reasons to attack.

For example: I attack the main stream Muslims because of the rubbish found on their own man made books, but you attack me because of that rubbish found in their man made books, consequently you are for me an enemy of my religion like them, and consequently both of you will have absoutely no mercy offered, and the only reply both of you will get is to shove your man made rubbish books up your filthy arses.

See, that is what I call freedom of speech.


You went on like a tonne of bricks falling on this ignorant fool, a cow worshipper.

Well said and that was a gem of a post, mate!

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 11 Apr, 2010 6:04 pm
Post subject: Just for knowledge:
I have posted the following during discussions on a Jewish Forum, where I am the only invited Muslim:

Quote:
XYZ Wrote: Interesting point. However, I think that Paul had some strange views about the relationship between his savior and his god. Didn't you read where he called Jesus his "great God and Savior"?



Yes, XYZ, I have read that. However, before I comment on that, I must say that Paul never believed that Jesus was God, which is clearly shown by 1 Timothy 5-7 and note that he confirms that he is not lying:

Quote:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men?????????????????????¢??the testimony given in its proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle?????????????????????¢??I am telling the truth, I am not lying?????????????????????¢??and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
Period

So, Paul is on record for confirming that he did not consider Jesus as God.

There are quite a few statements of this sort in his letters, where it is made to appear as if Paul considered and called Jesus, God and Saviour.

This is wrong and I consider that as scribal errors, forgery, poor and bad translations and punctuations, specially the tricky Commas, to show falsely that Paul considered Jesus as God and Saviour. There are no originals of any of his letters left to compare with. In fact there is no original of anything in the New Testament at all.

In order to get the correct message, let us go to Titus 2:13 and compare various translations:

Quote:
Titus 2:13 (Today's New International Version)

13 while we wait for the blessed hope?????????????????????¢??the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Titus 2:13 (New International Version - UK)

13 while we wait for the blessed hope?????????????????????¢?? the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ,

Titus 2:13 (Worldwide English (New Testament))

13All this is while we wait and hope to see the one who brings blessing. We are waiting for our great God to come in Jesus Christ. He is the One who will save us. He is wonderful!

Titus 2:13 (Wycliffe New Testament)

13 abiding the blessed hope and the coming of the glory of the great God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Titus 2:13 (21st Century King James Version)

13looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,


According to Jesus', he confirmed that he was not coming alone, when he replied to the High Priest.

And now let us read this and please read the footnotes, which shows the confused state of the scribes of various manuscripts:

Quote:
:Titus 2:13 (Contemporary English Version)

13We are filled with hope, as we wait for the glorious return of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Footnotes:

1. Titus 2:13 the glorious return of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ: Or "the glorious return of our great God and our Savior Jesus Christ" or "the return of Jesus Christ, who is the glory of our great God and Savior."



The 3rd footnote is a bombshell that demolishes all others.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 11 Apr, 2010 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new to think about
Hello, Ahmed,

Can you post a copy of this to an FFI goon, KufirbintKufr, whose signature is the topic in my post?

lol!

Salaams, mate
BMZ



BMZ wrote:
Everyone knows that I dislike Paul, the self-loathing sinner.

I have something new for all to think about and bring to the attention of polemic Christians:

"Galatians 1:7-8

If we or an angel from heaven should preach to you any message other than that which we preached to you, let him be accursed."

Another version:

"Galatians 1:8 (New International Version)

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!"

Now, please mark the time, the period and keep in mind the person who said that.

Question: Who were the people, who then stand eternally condemned?

Answer: All those people who created various Doctrines, Trinity and the Triune God because that was not preached by Paul and those with him.

Salaams
BMZ

- Mon 12 Apr, 2010 5:29 am
Post subject:
Done:

http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6015&p=105270#p105270
- Mon 12 Apr, 2010 4:09 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Done:

http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6015&p=105270#p105270


Thanks, mate.

And I laughed out my ass upon this asshole and ignorant fool, yeezevee, when I read this:

Quote:
AhmedBahgat the Messenger gets message from that Bum Muslim Zombie

yah.. yadi..yadi.. that bum writes as if Quran is NOT a created doctrine, Where do you guys think Quran came from?? tell him to jump in to a well without water and break his legs.. So he can spend his time walking on crutches

Bum
yeezevee


Glad he considers himself a Bum now. Bum yeezevee. Very Happy When will these FFI Goons grow up?

I believe this character yeezevee is Ali Sina, writing himself as a poster. Laughing

I will try to read and see what this Jesus Freak kufrbintkufr has to say. The post will go way above her heard. She would not even be able to comprehend the absurdity in the New Testament.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 18 Apr, 2010 2:39 pm
Post subject: Ahmed, I don't know how you keep cool with FFI Assholes
I refer to the topic:

http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=595&start=360

You posted the pic of your sweet son.

I don't have to worry about the foolish remarks from goons like Wootah, yeezevee, charleslemartel and Cassie but I find the Clown, the FFI Janitor aka Towelhead extremely idiotic, when he wrote:

"Your daughter is very cute and I'll bet she's really wonderful. Sincere congratulations!!!"

lol!

You really handle these incompetent goons well.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sun 18 Apr, 2010 4:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, I don't know how you keep cool with FFI Assholes
BMZ wrote:
I refer to the topic:

http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=595&start=360

You posted the pic of your sweet son.

I don't have to worry about the foolish remarks from goons like Wootah, yeezevee, charleslemartel and Cassie but I find the Clown, the FFI Janitor aka Towelhead extremely idiotic, when he wrote:

"Your daughter is very cute and I'll bet she's really wonderful. Sincere congratulations!!!"

lol!

You really handle these incompetent goons well.

Salaams
BMZ


LOL mate, indeed, ugly was so drunk, but you know it is sunday morning
- Sun 18 Apr, 2010 5:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Ahmed, I don't know how you keep cool with FFI Assholes
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I refer to the topic:

http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=595&start=360

You posted the pic of your sweet son.

I don't have to worry about the foolish remarks from goons like Wootah, yeezevee, charleslemartel and Cassie but I find the Clown, the FFI Janitor aka Towelhead extremely idiotic, when he wrote:

"Your daughter is very cute and I'll bet she's really wonderful. Sincere congratulations!!!"

lol!

You really handle these incompetent goons well.

Salaams
BMZ


LOL mate, indeed, ugly was so drunk, but you know it is sunday morning


lol!

You just reminded me of the drama in Acts 2:

Quote:
13 But others in the crowd ridiculed them, saying, ?????????????????????¢??They?????????????????????¢??re just drunk, that?????????????????????¢??s all!?????????????????????¢??????????????????????

14 Then Peter stepped forward with the eleven other apostles and shouted to the crowd, ?????????????????????¢??Listen carefully, all of you, fellow Jews and residents of Jerusalem!

Make no mistake about this.

15 These people are not drunk, as some of you are assuming.

Nine o?????????????????????¢??clock in the morning is much too early for that.


lol!
- Mon 19 Apr, 2010 2:01 am
Post subject: Idiots at work on FFI
I was reading this thread, where the FFI goons are talking to Eagle, a Muslim.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6181&start=20

In fact, Eagle is handling all the goons well and wrote:

Quote:
8:39 just like 2:193 says that the opressor must be fought until he desists from his opression. This means that the phrase "religion should be only for Allah" has nothing to do with erasing other forms of worship.

On the meaning of "oppression", since you are bent on denying the Truth and will dispute anything coming from God, read Hajj:39-40 and finish your education with Mumtahina:8-9.


Then I read this idiotic response from the resident Hindu goon, Skynightblaze:

Quote:
I guess you must have been really exhausted with lying because I see now you are denying the meaning of simple english sentences. "Fight them until religion of Allah is everywhere" . What does this mean to you?


Now, first the FFI goons do not know that 8:39 goes with 8:38 and second, this Asshole Skynightblaze writes "Fight them until religion of Allah is everywhere"

Where did this Clown get the words "is everywhere" from? Looks like the Clown is only referring to Yusuf Ali's translation.

No wonder, this clown use only Yusuf Ali's translation to present his idiotic and foolish points.


Tell the fool to read other translations.

Ahmed,

Can you please copy and PM to Eagle or post this note, if you see it fit?

Salaam
BMZ
- Tue 20 Apr, 2010 1:35 am
Post subject: Eagle at FFI
Eagle is a very intelligent and knowledgeable Muslim, who is handling the FFI goons very well.

I enjoyed reading his post addressed to the Towel-head:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6048&start=60

Ahmed,

Are you aware that yeezevee is an Israeli? I read it in a short article by a genuine ex-Muslim, whose name I won't reveal here. I will PM you later after finding that article.

Salaams
BMZ
- Tue 20 Apr, 2010 4:24 am
Post subject: Re: Eagle at FFI
BMZ wrote:
Eagle is a very intelligent and knowledgeable Muslim, who is handling the FFI goons very well.

I enjoyed reading his post addressed to the Towel-head:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6048&start=60

Ahmed,

Are you aware that yeezevee is an Israeli? I read it in a short article by a genuine ex-Muslim, whose name I won't reveal here. I will PM you later after finding that article.

Salaams
BMZ


Indeed mate, Eagle is a good Muslim and he is slam dunking those agnorant goons for some time now, may Allah bless him

Yeh mate, I suspected it since day one, but I really careless about that, the race or country of anyone good or bad makes absolutely no difference to me.

An enemy is an enemy regardless where they came from

Take care mate
- Tue 20 Apr, 2010 1:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Eagle at FFI
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Eagle is a very intelligent and knowledgeable Muslim, who is handling the FFI goons very well.

I enjoyed reading his post addressed to the Towel-head:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6048&start=60

Ahmed,

Are you aware that yeezevee is an Israeli? I read it in a short article by a genuine ex-Muslim, whose name I won't reveal here. I will PM you later after finding that article.

Salaams
BMZ


Indeed mate, Eagle is a good Muslim and he is slam dunking those agnorant goons for some time now, may Allah bless him

Yeh mate, I suspected it since day one, but I really careless about that, the race or country of anyone good or bad makes absolutely no difference to me.

An enemy is an enemy regardless where they came from

Take care mate


True that.

Please PM my regards and salaams to Eagle, if you can. Thanks

Salaams, mate
- Tue 20 Apr, 2010 2:01 pm
Post subject: IslamicReplies at FFI
Hello, Ahmed

Remember I had told you that FFI has a dearth of Muslims and creates its own Muslim posters, so that they can keep the dying FFI alive and keep on talking to themselves? Very Happy

Here is the proof and I found it, when I read this silly thread:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1700&start=580

And I was shocked to read this from IslamicReplies, FFI's own fictitious Muslim:

Quote:
Moreover, if you Quranists solidly belief in ONLY the Quran and refer to literally nothing else, then I can bring contradictions and inconsistencies in the Quran, in which Quranists (according to his/her criteria) would NOT be able to solve, without referring to the authentic Hadiths and historical background from Hadiths.

So, the real "Mushriks" are people like you, who lack knowledge of Islam, and then make claims with no proof.


What a FRAUD from the dirty FFI goons! Fucked up idiots and assholes. No Muslim would write like that.

IslamicReplies sounds more like Skynightblaze or Yeezevee writing and replying himself. Lol Above

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Thu 22 Apr, 2010 2:56 am
Post subject: A New Topic at Topix
Hi, all

I have opened a new topic at Topix for Ali Sina and his FFI goons.

Please have a look. lol!

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T5NMDVE0O27JNEFNR#lastPost

Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 01 May, 2010 1:17 am
Post subject: The Greatest Poet of East - Allama Iqbal
Hello, Ahmed,

As I browsed FFI for things sillier, I saw this topic initiated by yeezevee:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2592

We know that none of the clowns and goons at FFI understand the Arabic of qur'aan and they write loads of rubbish by reading translations.

How can these goons of FFI understand Iqbal's poetry in Persian and Urdu?

Could you check with yeezevee if he understands Persian and Urdu? Is he capable enough to understand Allam Iqbal's poetry in the two languages and his use of Arabic within?

Or if the goons will be discussing it through English translations?

Iqbal wrote a Shikwah (An Imaginary Complaint from God) and then wrote Jawaab-e-Shikwah (Answer by Muslims).

The way the minds of these clown works, the goons will title it:

"Muslim's God was complaining" Laughing

Absolutely hilarious guys, mate.

Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 01 May, 2010 5:29 am
Post subject:
Salam mate

The link does not show the the thread, can you check it please
- Sat 01 May, 2010 12:48 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam mate

The link does not show the the thread, can you check it please


If you go to the Board Index, look at the top thread, which is:

Comments on the Main Site and Forum

If you click that, you will get:

Comments on the Articles Posted in the Main Site

If you click that, it will be the 4th post from top.

Try:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=3

The Greatest Poet of East ? Allama Iqbal on Islam by yeezevee

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2592

Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Mon 03 May, 2010 6:12 am
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I read a silly post by skynightblaze on FFI at the following link:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6570&start=60


Quote:
skynightblaze:

We will be the same when it comes to quran. You will publicly admit that you have understood the true meaning of quran and were a kafir all your life and you will hence return to the deen by accepting hadiths.

I wish you become hadith only muslim.


Could you please tell the young goon, His Master's Voice, that his master Ali Sina does not agree with him.

Even the clown Ali Sina agrees that if there is a contradiction between the Quran and a hadith, the Quran would be taken as valid and that hadith would be false.

And Ali Sina goes on further to confirm also "as per Quran we know that any hadith that attributes miracles to Muhammad is false."

So, please tell the clown not to wish for you to become a hadith only Muslim. Poor boy does not know that there is nothing such as a Hadith only Muslim.

The stupidity and insanity of FFI clown and goons know no bounds.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 06 May, 2010 1:22 pm
Post subject: Verses 24:32-33 Surah Al-Noor
Remark from a Christian poster on 24:33

Quote:
Got it! Sex with slave is ok if "unforced".


BMZ wrote:


Wrong!

That is absurd and nonsense. That is not what the verses say.

Ibn Ishaq, the poster, quoted correctly to show that people were told not to force slave girls or maid servants against their will, into prostitution.

Verse 24:33 is connected to 24:32 in that section and both must be read together.

Only then one will get the right message. Let me do a simple translation:

Quote:
24:32 Get the bachelors among you married and also your righteous male and female slaves.

If they cannot afford, Allah will enrich them out of His grace as Allah is bountiful and knows all.

24:33 Those, who cannot afford, should exercise continence till Allah enriches them out of His grace.

And if those under you, ask for a deed of emancipation, give it to them, if you find goodness in them and give them a part of your wealth that Allah has given you.

Do not force your slave-girls into prostitution for your own material gain, if they wish to remain chaste.

If anyone compels them into it, then later Allah will be forgiving and merciful to them.


So, the message is that those who cannot afford to marry should exercise self-restraint and control their desires.

They should not go forcing the poor girls and fuck them against their will or lead them into prostitution. This verse forbids forcing girls into prostitution.

And if one forces a defenseless girl, who wishes to remain noble and chaste, into prostitution against her will, then Allah will be merciful and forgiving to her but Allah will never forgive the man who forced her into prostitution. That man will be eternally damned! Let pimps beware! lol!

You will note that Jesus and Christianity neither addressed nor tackled such issues.

Now, if one can read and understand all articles, one must be able to understand what I explained in English. lol!

Good night

BMZ

- Fri 07 May, 2010 5:47 pm
Post subject: Debunking another Crap
A poster wrote on another site:

Quote:
Today the Islamic Qur'an (Koran) is made up of only 114 chapters called Suras and then sub-divided into verses. In the days of Muhammad's wife A'isha, one chapter of the Koran (the Sura) had about 200 verses. Shortly after her death, this Surah had only 73 verses. Muslims say that 127 verses of the original text were lost and never found. Also, After the sudden death of Muhammad, Zaid-ibn-Thabith was ordered to compile and write down the Qur'an (Mishkat'ul Masabih). It is attested that at least three revelations were left out. One of these, according to Muhammad's wife, A'isha, with whom he resided at this death, was kept under their bed at the time of Muhammad's death, but was eaten by a domestic animal (a goat). When Uthman compiled the Qur'an, the missing verses could not be found. One of them was called the verse of Stoning, and is said to have contained the order to stone a man or woman who had committed adultery....This verse is said to have been part of the original Qur'an. Many early authorities say so, and what is very significant is that the first Caliphs punished adulterers by stoning; this is still the penalty prescribed in Muslim law-books, whereas the Qur'an (Surah 24:2) prescribed a hundred stripes." ("Islam" by A. Guillaume, p. 191). References: Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. page 269; Sunan Ibn Majah, page 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) page 310; As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. page 13:

Another tradition states (Sahih Muslim, page 912, Mishkat II, page 534 and others):

"Umar said:'Verily Allah sent Muhammad with truth and revealed the Book to him. Out of the verses, the Almighty Allah revealed. there was the verse of stoning to death. The Messenger of Allah
stoned to death (Sahih Muslim, page 920) and after him we also stoned to death: And in the BOOK OF GOD stoning to death is a truth against one, who commits adultery. The verse was thus:'The old man and the old woman, if they have committed adultery, they stoned them both assuredly.' "

This passage too, is not in the Qur'an. See other corruptions of the Qur'an here.

Many Hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was ordered and practiced by Muhammed, for example:

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."


My response:

BMZ wrote:
Another Ignorant Fool! Looks like an FFI goon. lol!

That must have been some very intelligent, learned and scholarly Jewish goat, who chewed only a line to save the Jews from being stoned. LMAO

It looks like the goat entered the room, looked for the book under the bed, picked it up, opened the page and chewed out only one particular line. How silly and idiotic is that!

If the goat had eaten or chewed up, what then about the reciters and many others, who had memorized the entire Qur'an?

You wrote: "In the days of Muhammad's wife A'isha, one chapter of the Koran (the Sura) had about 200 verses. Shortly after her death, this Surah had only 73 verses. Muslims say that 127 verses of the original text were lost and never found."

Which Surah? You did not mention at all.

Read another Hadith on the subject, where the Jews would bring the accused and asked the prophet for punishment and prophet asked them what was the punishment according to Torah? He asked them to follow what was prescribed for the adultery, etc.

Since you talk about Hadith, go and read this:

"When a question was asked if Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam,(stoning to death) before or after the revelation of Sura An-Nur, the answer given by 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa was:

"I don't know".
(See Sahih Al-Bukhari 8:804 and 8:824).


So, this Hadith confirms that the Prophet never carried out Rajam.

So, there goes the story of the goat and rajam, debunked and dismissed.

That is why I recommend that Muslims should check a Hadith under the light and shade of Qur'aan. Also, instead of being a Hadith freak, they should read and understand Qur'aan, which is the authority Supreme.

Surah 24 Noor confirms the punishment by 100 stripes. That is all.


Salaams
BMZ
- Sat 08 May, 2010 1:09 am
Post subject: A Christian Poster on Surah 10
Poster wrote:

You mean he (Muhammad) made up his own versions of the stories which totally contradict the earlier versions?


BMZ wrote:
No.


Poster wrote:

According to this verse the old stories are true.
010.094


BMZ wrote:
No.


Poster wrote:

YUSUFALI: If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.


BMZ wrote:
The key point in above is: "as to what We have revealed unto thee,".

So, whatever was not revealed, was not true.

The verse 10:94 is part of three sections of verses starting from 10:71 to 10:102 and in these sections, stories of Noah, Moses, Pharoah and Yonah, were being told.

And he was told that if he had any doubts, he could go and check with the people who knew these stories as they did have them in their book.

Thus he was to believe only what was revealed about the past. He was not supposed to believe anything that wasn't revealed to him.

Another interesting point is in verse 10:68, which I will translate to make the message easy to understand:

"They say: "Allah has taken a son. Glory be to Him. He does not need anything. All in the heavens and the earth belong to Him. Do you have any proof to support this? And you talk about Allah what you do not know?"

So, 10:94 is not applicable to the biblical story of Jesus as that story was not at revealed because it was not true. Only true stories and events were revealed to Muhammad.

Thus, we will never check with Christians, "Hey, is Jesus really the son of God?" For we know that is not true.

We will also never check with the Christians, "Hey, was Jesus the son of Mary?", because it was revealed to the Prophet that Jesus was the son of Mary.


Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 12 May, 2010 4:24 am
Post subject: 21:91 and 66:12
A Christian poster, possibly an FFier, wrote and quoted from the stupid Wikiislam of the Charlatan Ali Sina's cesspool FFI, on another site:

Quote:
From http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Allah:_I_sent_J...

In Qur'anic verses 21:91 & 66:12, Allah says that he breathed into Maryam's (Mary's) vagina in order to conceive Isa (the Islamic Jesus). When looking at the tafsir's we find that Allah did this by sending the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to complete this task.

The word "Farj" is used in this verse to indicate where Allah/Jibreel blew, and Farj means "vagina." The verse uses "Farjaha" which means "her vagina."

Qur'an 21:91
* Literal: "her genital parts , so We blew into her"[1]

* Malik: "who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her of Our Spirit"'[1]

* George Sale: "who preserved her virginity, and into whom We breathed of our spirit" [1]

* JM Rodwell: "who kept her maidenhood, and into whom we breathed of our spirit" [1]

* Asad: "AND [remember] her who guarded her chastity, whereupon We breathed into her of Our spirit" [1]

* Tafsir Ibn Kathir: "And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity. And We breathed into it [her garment] through Our Ruh)[66:12]." [2]

Qur'an 66:12
* Literal: "her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it" [3]
* Malik: "and into whose womb We breathed of Our spirit" [3]
* George Sale: "and into whose womb we breathed of our spirit" [3]
* JM Rodwell: "and into whose womb we breathed of our spirit" [3]
* Asad: "whereupon We breathed of Our spirit into that [which was in her womb]" [3]

* Tafsir, Ibn Kathir: "(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) " [4]

Many translators of these verses were likely embarassed to translate the word into its real meaning so they used alternate and sometimes widely varying meanings that appeared more 'holy' such as seen in the following versions:

* Yusuf Ali: "who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit" [3]

* Pickthall: "therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit" [3]

* Hilali/Khan: "the daughter of Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Rooh" [3]


My Response:

All right, I will do this now.

Wikiislam belongs to the Charlatan Ali Sina's cesspool FFI, where FFI goons like Sanitarium, Pedipheddis, Khalil Fariel, Aksel Ankersen and other idiots, contribute to that Wiki. They are all dishonest folks.

Wikiislam is totally a junk site site, which just distorts verses, using English translations and their writers have no clue about the Arabic of Qur'aan.

I will do this post in 2-3 bites as I wish to show how Wikiislam has distorted.

To be continued......
- Wed 12 May, 2010 4:31 am
Post subject: 21:91 and 66:12
I have tidied up the quotes. Sorry for the mix up.

Quote:
Poster wrote:

In Qur'anic verses 21:91 & 66:12, Allah says that he breathed into Maryam's (Mary's) vagina in order to conceive Isa (the Islamic Jesus).

When looking at the tafsir's we find that Allah did this by sending the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to complete this task. The word "Farj" is used in this verse to indicate where Allah/Jibreel blew, and Farj means "vagina."

The verse uses "Farjaha" which means "her vagina."


Let me now show you and the readers how idiotic are the writers of Ali Sina's WikiiIslam under FFI.

Let us take the verse 21:91, which reads in Arabic as, transliterated by me in a simple manner and allow me to break it up, showing translation:

21:91 "Wal-latee ahsanat farjaha, fa-nafakhna feeha mir-roohina, waja-alnaha wa ibnaha ayatal-lil-aalameen"

If you look at all translations, all have written to show that she was the woman, who guarded here chastity or who preserved her chastity or who maintained her chastity or who kept her maidenhood, even though the word 'farjaha' is there in the verse.

The woman's private part in Arabic is Furj, pronounced as Foorj, not farj.

No translator used the words vagina or cunt because "ahsanat farjaha" describes a woman or a girl who never allowed any man to touch her.


That is where Wikiislam writers are clueless about Arabic.

Now we come to the breakdown for translation:

"Wal-latee ahsanat farjaha,"

"The one who was chaste"

"fa-nafakhna feeha mir-roohina,"

"We breathed into her of our spirit"


And this simply means a life was breathed into her or given to her.

(Note: It does not say, "We blew Our Spirit into her".)

"waja-alnaha wa ibnaha ayatal-lil-aalameen"

"and we made her and her son a sign for all the world."

21:91 shows that Mary had conceived.


Now we come to 66:12 transliteration:

"Wa-maryamab-nata Imran-al-latee, ahsanat farjaha, fa-nafakhna feehi mir-roohina; wa-sad-daqat bi-kalimati rabbiha wa-kutubihi; wa-kanat minal-qaniteen"

Note that in 21:91 it was the same combination: "ahsanat farjaha" and another important word was FEEHA, which means IN HER.

And in 66:12, we do not have FEEHA.

Instead, the word is FEEHAY, which means IN IT or IN HIM.

So here, Allah breathed life into IT or HIM, which was the foetus of Jesus, whom God gave life.

So, we do not really need any tafsir or hadith on this. There is no talk about Gabriel blowing anything at all.

In 66:12, it shows God gave life to Jesus in his mother's womb.

Hilali and Khan's translation is extremely poor. And please do not trust Wikiislam as their job is to misreport, distort and misinform. They are our enemies.

You can see that I did not need any tafsir or any other scholar's help. I gave it to you from Qur'aan.

Hope this helped.
Good night

BMZ
- Wed 16 Jun, 2010 8:45 pm
Post subject: Just for knowledge:
An ex-Muslim poster wrote on another site, accusing Qur'aan of plagiarizing from the Bible, I explained and in return, the poster wrote:

"The charges I have brought against the Koran has nothing to do with OT & NT but material plagiarized, edited, & pasted from other apocryphal sources outside of previous scriptures."

My Response:

Hello,

Qur'aan clarifies and only tells what really happened. You can see the difference between the two stories, one of the Bible and the other of Qur'aan.

So, if there is a story falsely told and another story corrects it, you cannot say that the correcting story has plagiarized.

The Christian Bible says that God is the father of Jesus, Jesus is the son of God and there is a third known as 'The Holy Spirit' roaming and floating on its own.

A book can be said to have been plagiarized ONLY if the other book talks about the same thing, with a different composition and nods in agreement to it.

Qur'aan does not do that. It blasts and refutes most of the Bible stories.

Now, does Qur'aan agree with the above from the Bible? Obviously, the answer is a NO!

God and the prophets or messengers are not a Jewish or Christian PATENT.

BMZ
- Wed 16 Jun, 2010 8:49 pm
Post subject:
Addendum to include other responses:

Quote:
Qur'aan does not deny. It refutes the misinformation and the misreports written by men who wrote the Bible.

Just look at what the biblical Jacob said in the Bible about Joseph's dream and look at what Jacob said beautifully in Surah 12, according to Qur'aan.

So, Qur'aan refuted what was passed on wrongly, corrected it and gave the true message showing what had actually happened.


Also, Qur'aan does not address any filthy topic:

Quote:
Qur'aan has not at all re-written the Jewish Tanakh, the Christians' OT and the NT. Not at all.

Qur'aan ignores most of the junk and stuff in the Bible as it considers it not worth addressing.

It only refutes all misinformation, wrong claims and other false reports in both the Bibles.

Also, you will not find any obscenities like Lot and his daughters, Genesis 38, Killings carried out by God, Moses and Joshua, etc.

- Wed 16 Jun, 2010 8:55 pm
Post subject: A Christian poster on Jizya
Quote:
They say every one must convert to Islam or pay a tax or be killed. Is that not claiming to be GOD?


No.

This was said about those pagans and idolaters of Mecca, who were oppressing, torturing, persecuting the new Muslims during Islam's infancy and included those Jews and Christians, who were on their side, instead of being along with Muslims.

According to all ancient customs, the tax was known as a TRIBUTE and a losing or surrendering party paid it.

In modern times, it is known as war reparation.


In order to get a correct idea about this 'tax' or 'repute' or war reparation, read this from Psalms 89:20-24 and it will open your mind.
I have marked 89:22 with 5 stars:

"20 I have found David my servant;
with my sacred oil I have anointed him.

21 My hand will sustain him; surely my arm will strengthen him.

*****22 No enemy will subject him to tribute; no wicked man will oppress him.*****

23 I will crush his foes before him
and strike down his adversaries.

24 My faithful love will be with him,
and through my name his horn will be exalted."

BMZ
- Wed 16 Jun, 2010 9:00 pm
Post subject:
An ex-Muslim poster wrote:

Quote:
And once again I will ask this question, and I need to know from you as to how fables & fairytales woven by men inserted into the Koran when this same anecdote can be found in the Jewish Midrash?

Here is the verse:
21:68-69 - They said, "Burn him and protect your gods, If ye do (anything at all)!" We said, "O Fire! be thou cool, and (a means of) safety for Abraham!"

I will not leave you alone until you come up with a sensible rebuttal. In fact I will begin showing you other examples of plagiarism by the authors of the Koran.


Hello,

I have already written earlier that Qur'aan recites some of the stories to clarify and verifies only those stories which were true.

For example, Qur'aan does not talk about any rotten stories of the Bible.

Qur'aan connects us with Noah, Abraham and all other prophets of the Jewish Tanakh aka Jewish Bible.

You have said earlier that you have read Qur'aan cover to cover. Right?

Did you read any stories about slaughter of others by Moses, Joshua and others?

Did you read anything dirty about Lot's daughter screwing their own father, taking turns?

Did you read anything dirty about Judah getting laid by his own daughter-in-law, who took her revenge by screwing him?

The answer is obviously a big NO!

Some stories were not told even in the Jewish Bible and also some cannot be found in the Christian Bible.

The Jews had Torah. If you check with them and their Rabbis, they will tell you that there were two Torahs.

One, written and the other, Oral. The Oral Torah was passed from generation of Rabbis to their generations and priests.

Midrash is just a Rabbinical commentary or an explanatory work or an exegesis of the Jewish Scriptures. It is not considered a Scripture.

The story of Abraham was not fully covered in the written Torah. It remained Oral.

How can one show the greatness and the righteousness of an upright man like Abraham, with an incomplete story in the written Torah? What is there in the Bible to show Abraham's greatness as a young lad in the Bible?

The event is described well in Qur'aan and is also present in the Oral Torah and that is why you can find it there.

Keep in mind that the Midrash was written very late.

Qur'aan narrated that very important event as it was left unmentioned in the written Torah.

That event of a great significance should have been written down in the Torah, as it shows Abraham as a believer in God Almighty, since he was a young boy.

According to the Oral Torah, Abraham's brother also jumped into the fire, built at the order of Nimrod but was not saved because he had other selfish reasons. Qur'aan does not talk about Haran and Nimrod at all.

So, how can you consider it plagiarized?

Hope this helped. It takes me time to write my thoughts out. So, please do not give me your 3-4 liner standard reply.

Address my post and show me what did you understand and what difference do you see now?

If you don't then you are not only wasting my time but also yours.

BMZ
- Sun 18 Jul, 2010 1:31 pm
Post subject: Absolutely Hilarious
A poster on another site, who goes by the name Az Zaqqum, who calls herself "Scholar for the Infidels", tries to show that Muslims have been ordered to pray only three times.

When asked to show evidence, she produced 24:58 as a proof.

"O you who believe, let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times: Before the morning prayer, and when you putt off your clothes for the heat of noon, and after the prayer of night. These are three times of privacy for you; besides these it is no sin for you nor for them -- some of you go round about (waiting) upon others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the messages. And Allah is Knowing, Wise."

The Ignorant Fool does not know that the above verse talks about the times of privacy.

Roll

BMZ
- Sun 12 Sep, 2010 4:26 am
Post subject: ANOTHER FFI GOON
Hello, Ahmed

I saw this thread started by another Ignorant Fool at FFI, whose name is Marie. She is an editor of the most ridiculous Wiki, Wikiislam of FFI.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7796

The Ignorant Fool wrote:

Quote:
"The word for girl is bent. The word is composed of three letters which are Ba, noon and Ta. When these three letters are connected to each other without diacritical marks they will appear identical. They will look like three adjacent crescent facing upwards. The difference between them is nothing. Only the diacritical marks can differentiate between them. Here is how is works:

If you put one point below any one of them, it's "Ba"
If you put two points below any one of them, it's "ya"
If you put one point above any one of them, it's "non"
If you put two points above any one of them, it's "Ta"
If you put three points above any one of them, it's "Tha" "


Can you help her out with diacritical marks, please by putting one or two or three "points" Hysterical below and above the letters of her name?

This editor, who appears to be another ignorant fool, calls the marks 'points'. Roll

Now, this is how it works for her name MARIE.

Put one 'point' over A and she will become Moorie. Put one 'point' below A and she will become Maaarie. Put one 'point' above R and she will become Maroo-ie. Lol Above

Can you also tell her that we can read the Qur'aan even without the diacritical marks?

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 13 Sep, 2010 6:40 pm
Post subject:
No worries mate:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7796&p=124051#p124051
- Mon 13 Sep, 2010 7:25 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
No worries mate:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7796&p=124051#p124051


My hat off to you, mate. You handle the FFI goons sooooo well. Roll

It was good that you did not waste any further time.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 13 Sep, 2010 7:46 pm
Post subject:
And if you put dummah over the M and dummah over the R and sikoon at the end, she becomes Moron
- Mon 13 Sep, 2010 8:54 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
And if you put dummah over the M and dummah over the R and sikoon at the end, she becomes Moron


You cracked me up, mate. Bounce Laugh
- Thu 16 Sep, 2010 12:51 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
And if you put dummah over the M and dummah over the R and sikoon at the end, she becomes Moron


Actually, you should tell Marie to introduce diacritical marks in English, which requires it most.

For example, the diacritical marks are badly required not only by the natives but also by foreigners:

But, Put

Cow, Low

Brow, Crow

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 16 Sep, 2010 6:32 pm
Post subject: yeezevee of Ali Sina's FFI Cesspool
I was reading the following page and saw this from yeezevee:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7796&start=20

Can any one tell me what exactly is the role of the clown and weasel yeezevee of FFI?

I know he is an idiot and an ignorant fool but what does he/she contribute? Roll
- Mon 27 Sep, 2010 9:43 pm
Post subject: ANOTHER FFI GOON
Hello, Ahmed

Who the fak is fakknows at FFI? Another goon pretending to be an ex-Muslim?

Thanks for handling the ignorant fool here:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7900&start=20

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 27 Sep, 2010 10:14 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I read the thread at FFI and noted that KhaliL Fariel wrote the following in two of his idiotic posts:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7707&start=100


KaliL Fariel wrote: " Can you read? Read carefully what Ibn Ishaq says on the raid of Waddan:

Then he (Muhammad) went forth raiding in Safar at the beginning of the twelfth month from his coming to Medina until he reached Waddan, which is the raid of al-Abawa.

But See what Ibn Ishaq says: At the beginning of the twelfth month of Muhammad arriving in Medina. That happened to be in Safar. Do you understand?

As I have shown in my previous posts there were no Meccan hostilities at the time of Muhammad making his first raid on Waddan. And it was in this raid he remarked "the endangering of women and children does not matter".

I am not making this claim, but the most authentic biography of Muhammad is with me to prove this. Case closed; "


Can you open the case by letting KhaliL know the following:

What he calls the most authentic biography of Muhammad is no biography at all. Ibn Ishaq had already been declared a LIAR by scholars of his time.

Imam Malik called Ibn Ishaq a liar and an imposter for writing false stories about Prophet Muhammad. Imam Malik has said that Ibn Ishaq "reports traditions on the authority of the Jews"


All the stories coming from the bastard Ibn Ishaq, regarding the assassination of Asma, Abu Afak, Kinana, etc., are false stories and rubbish.

The biggest joke that laughs in the face of these FFI goons and clowns is that not a single Hadith or story by Ibn Ishaq was accepted by the Hadith lovers' Bukhari, Muslim, etc.

Tell the clowns to show anything of Ibn Ishaq from the available books of Hadith collections. Zilsch!

Ibn Ishaq used reports of traditions gathered from Jewish sources.

So, please tell KhaliL that Ibn Ishaq was a Liar and an asshole!

Thanks, mate and Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 27 Sep, 2010 10:50 pm
Post subject:
Salam mate

where I can find to be said by Malik about Ibn Ishaq?

Cheers
- Sun 03 Oct, 2010 3:49 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Salam mate

where I can find to be said by Malik about Ibn Ishaq?

Cheers


Salaams, Ahmed

You cannot find it on the internet and other books. The information is available only through the sahaif or pages written by various Imams in the libraries at in Al-Azhar, Medinah, Pakistan, India.

The library at Lucknow, India has the largest collection of scripts.

You will find the following very interesting, coming from the Christian bigot and evangelist Sir William Muir:

"No copy of Ibn Ishac's biography, in the form of its original composition, is now available. But the materials have been so extensively adopted by Ibn Hisham, and wrought into his history in so complete and unaltered a form, that we have probably not lost much by the absence of the work itself.


IBN HISHAM, who died A.H. 213 118, made the labours of ibn Ishac the basis of his biography of Mahomet. Copies of this work are extant in its original form, and are known to the European historians of the Prophet. "

Mark the words which I have emboldened. Roflmao
- Mon 04 Oct, 2010 9:24 pm
Post subject: Dolly Binte Bani Al-Mustaliq
Dolly is an FFI B****, who stalks me on another site.

Being a descendant of Bani Al-Mustaliq, she keeps on talking about the Bani Mustaliq Hoax. I wrote the following to her:

Hello, Dolly Binte Banu Al-Mustaliq LMAO!

(I am not sure if you would be able to understand how I addressed you)

If you like, I can make it easier by calling you, Dolly Binte Abu Said Al-Khudry. lol!

What you wrote is wrong, asshole.

The Banu Al-Mustaliq story is a hoax. And there is no such stupid hadith under the reference number you quoted, Jesus Freak!

And I added:

Dolly Binte Ali Sina,

Ignorant Fool! You quote me that lying megalomaniac filthy bastard Ali Sina's site, where idiots like Sanitarium, KhaliL Fariel aka Haik Monsieur, Pedipheddis, Aksel Ankersen and other bastards, clowns and goons write.

All of them are Idiots and assholes!

Ya Dolly Binte Bani Mustaliq, When you visit Ali Sina's cesspool FFI, do not forget to write and tell the goons the following:

"Regarding the treatment of the women of Bani Mustaliq in particular, there is the clearest historical evidence in all Hadith books that they were all set free without ransom. One of them, Juwairiyah, was also set free and married by the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him."

Put your head back in your arse, oh Binte Bani Mustaliq! lol!

Salaams, all
BMZ
- Tue 05 Oct, 2010 4:14 pm
Post subject: KhaliL Fariel's Hilarious Post on FFI
I reed KhaliL Fariel's hilarious post to Muslim-Egyptian:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=82&start=60

KhaliL wrote:

Quote:
Muhammad wrote letters to the kings of other lands and those letters were started with Salamun ala manil-tabaa al-huda which essentially means peace be upon those who are truly guided.

Might I ask you what it means truly guided Who are these truly guided people? It does mean Muslims only.

So even to the kings, Muhammad did not initiate the greeting peace be upon you. He meant his greeting is only intended to the guided people (Muslims).

Muhammad said to his Muslim followers to say salam to those you know and do not know. All Muslims were NOT known each other in Medina. But the Jews and polytheists among the Medinites were well known to Muslims. Do you get the point? Does not it make sense now?


Our ignorant fool friend has never read the following verse 55 from Surah 28:


وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا اللَّغْوَ أَعْرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَقَالُوا لَنَا أَعْمَالُنَا وَلَكُمْ أَعْمَالُكُمْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ لَا نَبْتَغِي الْجَاهِلِينَ

BMZ
- Tue 05 Oct, 2010 8:43 pm
Post subject: GREETING FFI CLOWNS AND GOONS
Hello, all

Please greet FFI goons and clowns in the following manner.

No hadith is required to support this, as this has been extracted from Qur'aan:


سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ جَاهِلِينَ

Which simply means: "Peace to you, Ignorant Fools" Rofl

Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 06 Oct, 2010 2:48 pm
Post subject: Just for information and knowledge,
when dealing with polemic Christians and Christian apologists:

The doctors and specialists engaged by Christian apologists, come up with silly explanations. There was a Specialist, who justified the silly 'blood and water gushed out'.

May be Jesus had 'varicose veins' all over.

Anyway, my point is that blood had not really flowed at all.

Motor-mouth Luke made that up.

If you read the passage Luke 22:39-46, it was 'like' blood. It means he was drenched in his own perspiration. The language is figurative.

If the disciples, who were sleeping through and through, had seen real blood, at least Peter, Philip, Judas and Thomas would have said, "Rabbi! Your blood is oozing all over. What happened?"

That is why I say that either Luke made it up or somebody else added that in.

If one goes through the comments given by Bible-Gateway, one would be shocked to find the following comments in footnotes:

Some manuscripts and translations
omit verses 43 and 44.

NU-Text brackets verses 43 and 44 as not in the original text.

Verses 43,44 are not in some manuscripts.

Verses 43 and 44 are not included in many ancient manuscripts.

Some early manuscripts do not have verses 43 and 44.


Salaams
BMZ
- Wed 06 Oct, 2010 11:40 pm
Post subject: A Response To A Hardcore Filthy Jesus Freak From FFI
This Jesus Freak writes rubbish on another site. Here is what I told him how Qur'aan was compiled. Just for the knowledge of readers here:

"Hello, Jesus Freak

I believe this would be the best way to explain to a B**** like you:

In those days, when Jesus walked Israel, story-telling was a hobby and a past time. People were fond of gossip, back-biting and telling tales.

Later, some men started writing stories about Jesus. Each man wrote the tales he had heard. Some men wrote a page or two, some wrote a score or two scores of pages and some wrote scores of pages just to beat others.

After the Church became powerful, it had to look for scripture but there was none left by Jesus, his disciples and Paul. So they cherry-picked four books and threw everything else into a BIN known as apocrypha.

But those who had the apocrypha, kept on telling their stories and sold well and this resulted in 300 plus Quarreling Bishops. Finally, it was ordered that all gospels, excluding the cherry-picked four, be burned!

Now, in our case, Qur'aan had not been compiled as a book.

So, Uthman, Ali, Ali's sons, prophet's scribes and companions of the prophet compiled the Qur'aan in the form of a book. All of them knew Qur'aan by heart, prior to the compilation of Qur'aan.

Once that was done, people were told to burn all parchments, scrolls and papers and follow the Compiled Qur'aan.

If that had not been done, then we would have "Qur'aan, According to....", just like the Christians have their "Gospels, According to Toms, Dicks and Harries". Rofl

You may now put your head back into your arse, Dolly. "
- Sat 16 Oct, 2010 4:36 pm
Post subject: Ahmed, Your Response to The Cat's Post
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7991&start=260#p128027

The Cat wrote:

Quote:
The Cat wrote:My personal opinion is that the former prophet lived in the al-Ula (thalmudic Dedan)/Mada'in Saleh region and that he was Salman The Persian, whom has a shrine over there. But he's most probably not the same as the warring Medina one. We have testimonies that he was alive and feared at least still by 640. It's noteworthy that we have no inscription mentioning this Mhmd before around Marwan, just to spread like wildfire right after.

Mada'in Saleh was then rather known as Hegra or Hijir, names strangely recalling that of the Hegira (departing, splitting).

It looks like the Medina Charter, dated 622, is the true beginning of what we now call Islam. Mecca is nowhere in sight until 710.


What stuck me was a dumb remark: "Mada'in Saleh was then rather known as Hegra or Hijir, names strangely recalling that of the Hegira (departing, splitting)."

Hijr refers to a place of rocks and stones.

It has nothing to do with the Hijrah (the migration).

Rofl
- Thu 21 Oct, 2010 6:44 pm
Post subject: The Jews Name of God: El
Hi all,

Just for knowledge.

Polemic Christians and other freaks keep on saying that Allah is not El.

The freaks do not know that El sounds real close to Allah.

El, when pronounced, will not sound like El in the 'el' of "Tell, Bell, Sell", etc.

El will be pronounced as Ellah, with a softer "ah" and that is very close to Allah. Instead of denying what I wrote, hear it out here:

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/El/el.html

Click the audio for first heading for God, El. You will be pleasantly surprised.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 21 Oct, 2010 6:58 pm
Post subject: Ex-Muslims, Hindus & Non-Muslims Are Lovers of Hadith & Tafsirs
I have noticed that most Ex-Muslims, Hindus and non-Muslims at Ali Sina's FFI Cesspool and other forums, are lovers of Hadith, Seerah and Tafsirs.

The Ignorant Fools and Goons love it more than the Muslims.

An ex-Muslim of FFI asked me on another site:

Quote:
EM wrote:

Since you do not believe in Sira, Hadises, and whatever there is, how do you interpret the Koran in its correct context?


And I replied:

"Very easy.

For example, the verse says, "Your LORD is only one LORD", I understand that and I do not need a Tafsir, Hadith or Seerah to understand that.

If the verse says, "Believers, do not take the Jews and Christians as your sincere friends", I know that it was being addressed to those Jews and the Christians, who were collaborating with the pagan Meccans against the new Muslims, back in those days.

And basing on that experience, I will also never accept you as my sincere friend because your are more sincere to polemic non-Muslim hate-bags. Hysterical

So, you can see how easy it is to understand Qur'aan, if one really wants to.

You can see that I did not use any Tafsir or Hadith or Seerah to explain above.

Hope this helped."
- Thu 21 Oct, 2010 7:02 pm
Post subject: Oneness, a Christian Fabrication
A Christian poster wrote to a Jewish poster:

"Well sonny boy! You claiming to be all knowing Explain the oneness of GOD? Show us how smart and intelligent you are? LOL!

Cheer's!"

My reply, just for knowledge:

"Christians came up with this absurdity known as Oneness.

Google the word and it will take you to Christian sites.

There is no such thing as oneness of God. Oneness is a Christian doctrine.

Oneness is ABSURD!

Did you see any Jewish sages discussing oneness of God? lol! Oneness is a Christian thingy?"

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 21 Oct, 2010 7:07 pm
Post subject: Oneness, a Christian Fabrication
And came in the reply from the Oneness Crazy:

Quote:


Your wacko! If GOD is one then the term oneness of GOD must apply to Him. In explaing GOD in the simple term GOD is one is the explaination of man. For man is one. In the term-man is created in the image of GOD implies that GOD is a man. But GOD is not a man! So your simple term that GOD is one does not apply to that simplistic term.

So you are not allowing GOD to be GOD, LO!


My Reply:

There is only One God.

Saying that God is one, just to justify the idiotic doctrine of ONENESS, created by confused megalomaniacs, is totally absurd!

If I say, "I have one apple", it means that I have an apple.

I don't have to say, "My apple is one" and then I start talking about the idiotic oneness of the apple.

This absurdity started just because some ignorant fools thought God, Jesus and the alleged Holy Spirit were each a God. So, they had to show the oneness.

Hence, the nonsense Doctrine of Oneness was concocted. Whatever spin you try to put, Oneness is absurd. The word itself is meaningless and it is a useless Christian concoction.

Salaams
BMZ
- Thu 21 Oct, 2010 7:11 pm
Post subject: Ex-Muslims, Hindus & Non-Muslims Are Lovers of Hadith & Tafsirs
Came in the following reply from the ex-Muslims:

Quote:
EM wrote:

Your argument has two flaws concerning this verse:

5:51 - "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. "

1) It does not specify which Jews & Christians, therefore your interpretation of this verse is incorrect.

2) There isn't any evidence of Christian involvement with the enemies of Islam during the early years of animosity between Mohammad and the pagans. It was the Christian king of Abasynia (Negus, who provided assylum to the muslims during the years of persecution.

3) Neither tafsirs - Ibn Abbas or Jalalayn collaborate with what you are saying.


My reply:

My reasoning has no flaws.

What is so great about the tafsirs Ibn Abbas and Jalalayn.

There are dozens of of other tafsirs. Try reading them.

I have already explained without using a single tafisr.

My point is that one does not need TAFSIRS to understand the message of Qur'aan. One needs brain, common sense and some intelligence.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 29 Oct, 2010 11:26 pm
Post subject: WESTERN CLOWNS' FAVORITE TOPIC: MARITAL RAPE
Marital Rape is mainly an American concoction, which has also been accepted by the UK, France, Germany and some other EU countries.

We do not have marital rape in Islam and neither does any other religion has this absurdity known as Marital Rape.

It is fun to watch Western clowns accusing Muslims of "Marital Rape", when they know that the Marital Rape was created to protect Western women from their husbands, who were raping them, when the women were already estranged from their wife husbands.

This was my first response on the issue and here it is for knowledge:

Quote:
Hello, Paralyzed American and Western minds

All of you are Drama Queens!

The so-called "raping of a wife" is a Western sickness. We don't have this sickness.

Your nation?????????????????????¢??s shared values, including belief in gender equality and the right to self????????????????????????????­determination, have always been under threat from your own people.

Read this:

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

You guys lead the world in rapes and nations even if combined can not match you.

An extract from the site:

AMERICAN RAPE STATISTICS

Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault.(NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)

Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault.(National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)

The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year.(Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)

SILENT VICTIMS :

One of the most startling aspects of sex crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and the fear of reprisal from the assailant.

Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives.(Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)




Cheers
BMZ
- Fri 29 Oct, 2010 11:28 pm
Post subject:
After my above post, came in 1-3 liner responses from idiots and I wrote the next:

"@ All Paralyzed Western and American Minds.

It is too late now, so I will write a very nice post tomorrow for all of you Drama Queens and ignorant fools. lol!

Please stay tuned.

Good night
BMZ"
- Fri 29 Oct, 2010 11:33 pm
Post subject:
And then I wrote this and please pardon me for my language, which was in response to the paralyzed filthy minds:

"Hope, this is not a double post.

Hello, Paralyzed American and Western minds

This post has been tailored exclusively for all Western goons, who have no real knowledge of any subject.

They harp what the Western Legal Circus comes up with and what the Western Media Circus reports.

I refer to my earlier post:

I had written that the so-called "raping of a wife" is a Western sickness. We don't have this sickness.

There was no such word as Marital Rape in the history of the English language.

There was no mention of Marital Rape in the Western Law.

The word was coined only in the early seventies in America.

The first marital rape case was made in 1978 in New Jersey, when a man was accused of raping his estranged wife.

Then came the concept that rape can exist in the context of marriage.

Before that case, the Law defined rape as forced sexual intercourse committed by a man against a woman, who was not his wife.

It is quite common in America to see men, whose wives have left their matrimonial home and stay at another place.

These ruthless drunkards and wretched men go under the pretext of visiting kids or to discuss other matters and rape their estranged wives. That is wrong.

The Bible has been used for centuries to tell women that it is their duty to satisfy her husband and please him.

If she does not do it now, the husband loses control and 'rapes' her.

And the man says, "What the fuck! If you can't rape your wife, who can you rape?", which is a crude joke in America!

So, most of such cases happen in the Western world.

Man: Honey, I am in the mood. I am feeling horny.

Woman: I am not in the mood, honey.

Man: Never mind, you just lie down and I will do it. You don't have to go on top.

Woman: I am not feeling well. My stitches after the delivery have still not come off.

Man: I don't care. What the fuck are you talking, B****?

Woman: I don't want. What if the stitches come loose?

Man: I will be gentle. Fuck you, B****.

And he forces himself upon her, does a quickie and goes to sleep. The brute has no regards for her. This is cruelty!

And the inconsiderate ruthless bugger keeps on doing that and has no respect and regards for his wife.

That falls under cruelty, which has recently been given the name as Marital Rape.

Women, who get raped by men, go through the trauma of rape.

When does a wife go through that particular trauma? She opened her legs hundreds of time to her husband willingly. Did she not?

And only after relationship turns sour, it becomes a marital rape! That is hilarious and laughable.

Husbands can not be accused of marital rape.

The term 'Marital Rape' has been coined and covered by Law only in the Seventies in America.

It is a new Law to protect estranged American wives or mistreated wives in the Western world, where the majority of barbaric men have no respect and no regard for their wives. Even the Bible failed to educate them on how to treat their wives.

It is a Western disease and the Western Cure is rightly applicable to Western freaks.

Hope this helped.

Now, you guys, the drama queens, can start writing your 1-3 liners. LMAO! "
- Tue 02 Nov, 2010 11:35 pm
Post subject: yeezevee'S IDIOTIC POST at Ali Sina's FFI Cesspool
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8246#p130014

yeezevee, the Crayon Baby of FFI wrote:

Quote:
Parables in Quran and Senseless meanings Muslims Extract Out Of Them

Religious scriptures are full of Parables & fables and Quran is no exception to that rule. Both narrate a simplified version of a story put in few words as a prose or verse and often supposed to illustrates a moral/religious lesson. In fact the word "Parables" appears in Quran in the following verses 13.017, 14.024, 14.025, 24.035, and 59.021 and there are many other verses in Quran that can be categorized as "parable". The difference between Fables and Parables is while parables generally feature human characters as an analogy to tell a story and set up a rule for the moral guidance of the followers; the fables use animals, plants, inanimate objects, and natural forces as characters. Here in this thread let us figure out Parables and fables and their uses to Humanity in particular to nominal Muslims and Muhammad following Muslims.

So let us start with verses that has the word "Parable" and explore rest of the Quran what I think are nothing more and nothing less that "Parables or metaphors"


Then the FFI goon quotes translation of the following verses and highlights his understanding with the crayons the baby uses.

013.017: He sends down water from the cloud, then watercourses flow (with water) according to their measure, and the torrent bears along the swelling foam, and from what they melt in the fire for the sake of making ornaments or apparatus arises a scum like it; thus does Allah compare truth and falsehood; then as for the scum, it passes away as a worthless thing; and as for that which profits the people, it tarries in the earth;thus does Allah set forth parables.[/quote]

014.024: Have you not considered how Allah sets forth a parable of a good word (being) like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in heaven,

014.025: Yielding its fruit in every season by the permission of its Lord? And Allah sets forth parables for men that they may be mindful.

024.035: Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not-- light upon light-- Allah guides to His light whom He pleases, and Allah sets forth parables for men, and Allah is Cognizant of all things.

059.021: Had We sent down this Quran on a mountain, you would certainly have seen it falling down, splitting asunder because of the fear of Allah, and We set forth these parables to men that they may reflect.

And then the silly poster writes:

Quote:
So let us read such verses as above and figure out, how many verses out of those 6346 consists of such Parables and fables..


What the ignorant fool does not know is that it simply means the examples Allah gives to men in order to make them reflect and understand.

Note: The yellow is the favorite color of the Crayon baby. Rofl
- Wed 03 Nov, 2010 6:16 pm
Post subject: Just for information
Enjoy reading this and the advice given by Ali Sina, the bigot:

http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/blog/?p=335&cpage=1#comment-17798

Guys,

Believe it or not, this clown yeezevee is definitely the megalomaniac Ali Sina writing himself under a different nick.

The multi-nicker is notoriously famous for writing emails to himself. Rofl
- Fri 05 Nov, 2010 4:57 pm
Post subject: The Cat's New Thread at FFI
Hello, Ahmed

I saw the new topic started by The Cat at FFI.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8268

All of the FFI goons are now hounding The Cat. Good to see you writing there.

Skynightblaze Ibne Dickless Lord Shiva feels totally pissed off. Rofl
- Fri 05 Nov, 2010 5:06 pm
Post subject: M Bin Lying of FFI
I read the following note from the Pamperhead, the FFI Janitor:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8268#p130351

This FFI goon writes and asks The Cat:

"Excuse me, clueless moron, but I will not even read the rest of your post until you explain why the entire Quran is written in first person format rather than third person narrative like almost the entire Bible is written in. Gee, you didn't think of THAT, did you you...genius."

Doesn't the ignorant fool know that his own Christian Bible, specially the New Testament was written by many men, long after Jesus was gone? That is why the NT was written in third person.

In Qur'aan, Allah was talking to Muhammad.

The insanity of the FFI goons amazes me.
- Fri 05 Nov, 2010 5:13 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I am glad you responded to another FFI goon, who goes by the name Wootah:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8268#p130388

You wrote: "If I choose to face the issue, I will let your own bible proves to everyone that Jesus is not god nor the son of god nor he died for the sake of the sinful

Dare to do it, open a new thread and show me how Jesus is the way.

Yeh, taking Jesus as a god must be the way to hell."

I don't think this clown would dare. He knows you will demolish the polemic Christian. Challenge the fool to open a thread.

Salaams
BMZ
- Fri 05 Nov, 2010 6:43 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

I refer to this from Zani, the new kid of FFI.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8268&start=20#p130416

Zani wrote:
Quote:
Going to sleep so soon mr bagget. Perhaps you may dream up an excuse for why Mose's mother believed in god before moses.


Can you please let this ignorant fool know that Moses' parents were Levites?

Here it is from his own Bible about Baby Moses' parents:

Quote:
Exodus 2 (New Century Version)

Baby Moses

1 Now a man from the family of Levi married a woman who was also from the family of Levi. 2 She became pregnant and gave birth to a son.


They were Hebrews, who believed in the God of Abraham.

If they were not believers, there would not have been any need to rescue the Hebrews by sending Moses. Rofl
- Mon 08 Nov, 2010 5:14 am
Post subject:
Hi all,

An FFI goon wrote to me on another site:

Quote:
You fcking bastard muslim....Have you decided who was put on the Cross and how he got off the Cross alive when Muslim ISA was told to hide by Allah before the Crucifixion.


I wrote back:

Yes, I have already decided and I believe it was Jesus Barabbas (Jesus son of Abba), who was crucified and the real Jesus was released and he ran away to safety.

Think hard for a moment about the name Jesus Bar Abbas. Which Jew had a name like that?

This name was a concocted name. No Jew ever had this kind of name.

So, this fake Jesus, the Son of God, i.e. Jesus Barabbas, the murderer, robber, etc., was killed to show that Jesus had been crucified and the crowd was pacified.

That was Pilate's plan.

Do you remember my earlier posts on the well-managed stage show that was conducted by Pilate in collaboration with the San Hedrin?

That is why Jesus never went back and faced the San Hedrin and Pilate. That is also the reason that Jesus could not say that he had been resurrected.

Because, if he had said to them that he had been resurrected, they would have laughed at him and would have said, "Look! We were the ones, who helped you escape! Haha!"

Cheers, Asshole! Put your head back into your arse!
- Mon 08 Nov, 2010 5:36 am
Post subject: The Cat has completely demolished skynightblaze bin Huraiarah
Hello, Ahmed

Enjoyed reading The Cat's final and crushing blow to the Ignorant Fool skynightnoblaze:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7991&start=760#p130836

And thanks for your post letting everyone know, where did the Hadith Collectors come from and why?

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7991&start=760#p130840

Shows some big conspiracy, mate.

Salaams & Good night
BMZ
- Sun 21 Nov, 2010 5:11 pm
Post subject:
Hello, Ahmed

Has the kid, skynightblaze bin Abu Huraiarah changed his nick? Has the boy left the site?

Have not heard from you about him for quite a while.
- Mon 13 Dec, 2010 3:06 am
Post subject: yeezevee of Ali Sina's FFI Cesspool
Has yeezevee left FFI Cesspool, Ahmed? Have not seen him writing at all.

Have you also noted that the lead writers of FFI have left? I can see only a few clueless FFI goons writing on that site.

Salaams
BMZ
- Mon 20 Dec, 2010 2:10 pm
Post subject: DEBUNKING ALI SINA AND FFI
Hello, Ahmed

Have you read this before?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=79594037526&topic=12367

http://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=79594037526

Donald Morgan has had a very good exchange with Ali Sina but in the end, the FFI lead goon Ali Sina ran away.

Quote:
Donald
I would like to respond to your post here.

There have been other ex-Muslims turned athiests who have come out and spread lies against Islam. Their lies stem from their lack of understanding of the Deen and their own cultural experiences, which has nohing to do with Islam. People like:

Salman Rushdie
Irshad Manji
Ayan Hirsi Ali

and many others have come forward with their claims. They have done so openly and you could find a lot of information about these people on the internet, including pictures and video.

When we look at Ali Sina we see something different. There is little to no information about this person. All we know is that he is a supposed doctor from iran who was once a Muslim and that Ali Sina is not his real name. I was suspicious of this myself and my suspicions only grew after my personal interactions with this person named Ali Sina.

If you read all seven parts of the debate i had with this person you see something suspicious. The person who called themself Ali Sina writes with great grammar and structure in the English language. HE demonstrates his ability to use complex words and sentence structures. This is most evident in parts 1 to 4 of the debate. When you look at parts 5 to 7 we see something different. the writer od thses entries appears to have an elementary understanding of the English language. The complex sentence structures and wordings that were present in parts 1 to 4 are not to be found in parts 5 to seven. the person who worte the first 4 parts of the debate is equal to a native English speaking person, whilr the person who wrote parts 5 to 7 clearly looks like a person whose second language is English.

This lead me to the conclusion that I was not debating a single person named ALi SIna but a group, of at least 2 people. I still believe that there is not a single person who calls himself Ali Sina. I believe that Ali Sina represents a group of people who are bent on slandering Islam.


Salaams, mate
BMZ
- Sat 01 Jan, 2011 10:03 pm
Post subject: How Polemic Christian Sites Lie Through Their Teeth
Happy New Year, everyone

A Christian wrote on another site:

Islam is a Religion of Peace

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

My Response:

Just after Jesus vanished from the scene, a wicked, self-loathing man started preaching lies and generations of wicked men after him spread more lies, which led to the founding of Christianity.

Another wicked generation has started spreading lies recently and evangelical Christian bastards like pat Robertson, Sam Shamoun, Robert Spencer and many others are doing that on thereligionofpeace.com and these polemic Christian assholes do nothing but misreport, misinform and tell lies, which ignorant fools quote on forums, without even reading, understanding and checking. Even you, my truly did the same!

Let me show you how these Evangelical Christian bastards at thereligionofpeace.com do that:

Take a look at this, written by the polemicists:

Quote:
According to the most reliable traditions, Aisha brought her dolls to Muhammad?????????????????????¢??s house for play (Muslim 3341) and he would fondle the little girl in the tub while taking baths with her (Bukhari 6:298). Aisha was just a teenager by the time Muhammad died, but she had already spent over half her life in marriage to him


In the above passage written by the Jesus freaks and goons, the writer mentions "and he would fondle the little girl in the tub while taking baths with her" and provides references by quoting two ahaadith,(Muslim 3341) and Bukhari 6:298.

But if you go and read the two links, you will not find anything about fondling the little girl in the tub!

This is what the lying men of religion-of-no-truth (Christianity) do shamelessly.

Thanks for bringing up that link.
- Thu 17 Feb, 2011 5:30 pm
Post subject: DEMOLISH HADITH WITH QUR'AAN
An FFI goon wrote on a Face Book discussion and quoted the following Hadith from the Liar Ibn Hisham:

Quote:
lets see what ibn isham says:

The books written on the life of Muhammad relate that it was Muhammad who wrote the reconciliation of Hudaibia himself.

It was said in his biography written by Ibn Hisham, "... and we have with us the Messenger of God, peace be upon him, who can write, together with Suhail."


And Qur'aan says in 29:48 clearly:

Quote:
وَمَا كُنْتَ تَتْلُو مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مِنْ كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ إِذًا لَارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ


And it simply means:

"Neither you recited any Book before it nor did you write it yourself. If you had, the purveyors of falsehood would have voiced their doubts."

Verse 29:49 bursts Ibn Hisham's bubble and the bubbles of others.
- Thu 17 Feb, 2011 11:16 pm
Post subject: RESPONSE ON THE S0-CALLED SANAA QUR'AAN
There is no such thing known as the Sanaa Qur'aan.

They did not find a complete Qur'aan at Sanaa. lol!

What they found were manuscripts, parchments, fragments and papers totaling about 40,000. The Arabic Qur'aan that I have, has only 610 pages.

Qur'aan does not contain thousands of pages. One can see the idiocy of Puin and the people who read and quote him.

Usually, Muslims do not throw torn and tattered pages of Qur'aan or other religious scripts. They bury them or drop them in the rivers or the sea.

Whether the Codex was done in 655 AD or 700 AD, does not matter.

What matters is that all the Surahs were in the hearts and minds of the companions and scribes. Also, the scribes had written down various Surahs.

Re-writing was done in the past and is still practised by students of Arabic and calligraphy.

I have already said that at the end of the day, before Puin went silent for ever, he thanked God and wrote:

""The important thing, thank God, is that these Yemeni Qur'anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur'an itself, but are rather differences in the way words are spelled. This phenomenon is well-known, even in the Qur'an published in Cairo in which is written: "

It was a hoax.
- Fri 18 Feb, 2011 3:26 pm
Post subject:
Who is this FFI goon on facebook, mate?
- Fri 18 Feb, 2011 5:48 pm
Post subject:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Who is this FFI goon on facebook, mate?


Will PM you later, mate.
- Mon 21 Feb, 2011 3:39 pm
Post subject: DO NOT TAKE ANYONE AS YOUR FRIEND
Hi everyone,

Enjoy reading this whine and rant from Christians:

http://www.rebelnews.org/books/zionism/8819-the-talmudic-roots-of-jewish-intolerance-towards-all-criticism

Rofl
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