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No worries mate, regardless of our disagreement on a few issues, we are still united in facing the majority of Mushrik Muslims, this is enough for me to consider you a sincere brother in Islam

I really have nothing to say more concerning the issue, however you may post a Quran verse that may support your idea of not counting divorce/reconcilation as long as reconcilation happens in Iddah period. We dont need to create a new thread, let's continue in here please

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Cool, buddy. Can you explain the following a little further:

The Iddah is only there to protect the pregnant wife.
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Cool, buddy. Can you explain the following a little further:

The Iddah is only there to protect the pregnant wife.


To protect her in a sense of knowing who is the father of her child

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Okay, you meant to say that the "iddah" is there only to know the identity of the father. Is it compulsory to observe the waiting term?


I didn't get this part, either. You first said:

Both husband and wife cannot use the Iddah as a loophole to get around the 3 times limit of divorce, the iddah has nothing to do with counting the number of divorces/reconcilations

Then you said:

The Iddah is only there to protect the pregnant wife. This is obvious with the case of a widowed wife, she still has to wait for Iddah

And you ended with:

The only difference with the divorced husband and wife is this, they don't need to wait for Iddah if they want to reconcile, however it is still a count of divorce and reconcilation

Does it have or not have to do with the count of divorce/reconciliation?.
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What I said is clear

The Iddah has nothing to do with counting the divorce/reconcilation

The iddah is only to confirm that the woman is pregnant or not, and if she turns to be pregnant, then she will have new Iddah which finishes when she delivers the baby.

Let's not leave it to me and you and our desires, rather bring all the verses talking about the subject and see for ourselves, so you can do it, however if you dont, I am happy to do it but at a later time, possibly this weekend inshaallah

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I still don't understand what you are trying to say, brother. But I think now I know where we are disagreeing.


We agree that the term is in place so that it can be ascertained whether the woman is carrying a child. Tell me, is it compulsory to observe the term?
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Tell me, is it compulsory to observe the term?


Well, it depends

If the husband did not touch the wife after they married until they divorced, then no Iddah for the wife after divorce

If the wife has reached menopause, then Iddah is three months

If the wife is between periods, then the iddah is three periods

If the wife is pregnant , then the Iddah is until she delivers the baby

If the wife is widowed (the husband died), then Iddah is four months and 10 days

Therefore, in some cases the Iddah may not be observed but in most cases it has to be observed

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Let us all get back to the case, which was brought up.

The man divorced his wife by pronouncing Talaq, three times in one go.

Actually, this is against the teachings of Qur'aan. Anyway, if one did it that way, the divorce would be considered irrevocable and final. And the iddah starts straightaway from that point.

At-tallaqo-marrataan makes the divorce revocable, but after the third time, the divorce is irrevocable and the marriage is finished.

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
If the wife has reached menopause, then Iddah is three months

Salaam brother Ahmed,

Don't you think that the women who reached menopause wont get pregnant? Why is the waiting period prescribed for them then?
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If the wife has reached menopause, then Iddah is three months

Salaam brother Ahmed,

Don't you think that the women who reached menopause wont get pregnant? Why is the waiting period prescribed for them then?


Hello mate

Sorry for the late reply, I was in a business trip for 3 days and just arrived home.

I think the answer is in the same verse, I actually forgot a piece of information concerning those women who reach menopause, let me bring the verse in here:

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا (4)
And those who have despaired of menstruation among your women, if you doubt, then their waiting period is three months, and also for those who do not menstruate (between menstruations). And the pregnant women, their waiting period is until they deliver their burden; and whoever fears Allah He will make for him through his affair easiness.
[Al Quran ; 65:4]

-> Can you see the piece of information in the same verse concerning women who reached menopause: if you doubt, i.e. only if we doubt that they have reached menopause or not, however if we are sure that they reached menopause, then I believe that there should be no Iddah for them. Possibly at the start of the menopause age, at which we may doubt if they reached it or not.

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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If the wife has reached menopause, then Iddah is three months

Salaam brother Ahmed,

Don't you think that the women who reached menopause wont get pregnant? Why is the waiting period prescribed for them then?


Hello mate

Sorry for the late reply, I was in a business trip for 3 days and just arrived home.

I think the answer is in the same verse, I actually forgot a piece of information concerning those women who reach menopause, let me bring the verse in here:

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا (4)
And those who have despaired of menstruation among your women, if you doubt, then their waiting period is three months, and also for those who do not menstruate (between menstruations). And the pregnant women, their waiting period is until they deliver their burden; and whoever fears Allah He will make for him through his affair easiness.
[Al Quran ; 65:4]

-> Can you see the piece of information in the same verse concerning women who reached menopause: if you doubt, i.e. only if we doubt that they have reached menopause or not, however if we are sure that they reached menopause, then I believe that there should be no Iddah for them. Possibly at the start of the menopause age, at which we may doubt if they reached it or not.

Take care mate


Good answer, Ahmed.

إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ is the key word in there.

Hope you had a good trip.

Salaams, mate
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Thanks mate, it was cold out there and when I came back to sydney, it is cold and pouring rain for two days now, bloody wet everywhere

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JazakAllah brother Ahmed,

That makes perfect sense, may Allah bless you for helping people out.
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