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Post subject: Blaming the shaitans
sahara wrote:
If I am possessed by a Jinn,
Hello
Firstly your statement is not entirely accurate, you used the word Jinn instead of the word shaitan, there is a huge difference, a shaitan is a very bad jinn or a very bad human, let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s look at the following verse:
And thus did We make for every prophet an enemy, the Shaitans from among men and jinn, some of them suggesting to others varnished falsehood to deceive (them), and had your Lord pleased they would not have done it, therefore leave them and that which they forge." [the Quran ; 6:112]
وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نِبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ (112)
-> See, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? شَيَاطِينَ الإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? the Shaitans from among men and jinn????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????
Secondly, 43:36-37 never said that the kafirs will be POSSESSED by a shaitan (a bad jinn or a bad human),, it only said the following:
نُقَيِّضْ لَهُ شَيْطَانًا فَهُوَ لَهُ قَرِينٌ , i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬???????????????????????????? We appoint for him Shaytaan(Satan- devil)to be a Qareen(a companion)to him.????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, SEE, it only said A COMPANION, not A POSSESSOR as you are wrongly imagining, this is a huge difference, a companion only suggest to you what to do and certainly not in charge of forcing you to do what he/she wants you to do, so at the end of the day that companion will keep repeating to you what he/she wants you to do that may end in programming you due to the many times you heard it in your mind (from a bad jinn) or physically heard it from a bad human, an example is kafir Benoit killing his family then killing the self, Allah has appointed a shaitan from the jinn for him who kept repeating to him (IN HIS MIND) to do what the it wanted him to do, which is (killing his family then killing the self ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢?? hell is secured for Benoit, the fate of his innocent wife and son is with Allah) , Benoit believed 100% that what he was about to do was 100% right, that is why he did it, see the one who committed the crime was Benoit not his appointed companion, the appointed companion was only an advisor, under the human laws the advisor and the criminal must be punished, the criminal can not blame the advisor nor the advisor can escape the punishment, and this is exactly how it works with Allah, now, is it fair that Allah appoints a bad jinn (a shaitan) as a companion for kafir Benoit?, well, the same verse told us the reason why Allah is going to do that, see what it says at the start of the verse:
وَمَن يَعْشُ عَن ذِكْرِ الرَّحْمَنِ , i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????And whosoever turns away from the remembrance of the Most Gracious (Allah)????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, i.e. they earned what Allah is about to do for them, they don????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t want to remember Allah, that is how they want their life to be, exactly as you want it, and I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m sure Allah did the same to you, a bad jinn or a bad human has been appointed to you that always and repeatedly suggest to you many wrong things in your mind or physically and sure most likely you will submit to most of it, it is you who will take the final decision not your companion, you companion will only make the wrong things appear right to you, that is why you will make your decision with ease to follow it , see how it was said in the following verse:
وَإِنَّهُمْ لَيَصُدُّونَهُمْ عَنِ السَّبِيلِ وَيَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُم مُّهْتَدُونَ , i.e. ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????And verily they (the appointed companions from the shaitans) hinder them (the kafirs or the confused believers) from the path (of Allah),but they think that they are guided aright!????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬????????????????????????????, and that is exactly what is happening right now with you, you are actually lucky that a couple of Muslims are trying to explain this tough subject to you, I guess Allah is still caring for you. Now you have the choice to follow what you want to follow.
sahara wrote:
then once again I BLAME ALLAH. :nono:
Let????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s just assume (for argument sake) that you will be allowed to blame him, this means in your eyes that he is flawed, now I have to ask, do you think a flawed god will listen to your blame and agree with you to let you go unpunished?, come on you assumed that he is flawed, see how I cornered you using your bloody flawed argument.
sahara wrote:
Seriously, if I am not even in control of my actions because a jinn has taken over me, how then am I deserving of eternal damnation?
Seriously you are confused, this is due to your advisor of course, you know your appointed shaitan, you are still in full control darling, no possession in here, you are the one who takes all your decisions not your appointed companion, your companion only advices you with a passion that the wrong is right, that????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢s all, you can only blame yourself sweetheart. The Quran also confirmed this fact of whom to blame in another location, but I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m sure your appointed shaitan will advise you not to listen to it or even read it so I won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t waste my time and just pass.
sahara wrote:
You have just proven to me how sick you really are and how twisted your mentality is, you are saying it's ok that I have been possessed through no fault of my own and will now be punished for whatever the JINN makes me do. :nono:
Repeating the same flaws but with a difference, a bit of insults included, well, repeating your flaws won????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢t make it right, you will be punished for eternity because you want to live your life WIHOUT REMEMBERRING ALLAH, so Allah is helping you to achieve that by appointing a kafir like you (a shaitan from the jinns or the humans) who will be your companion to always make the wrong seems right to you and consequently you will follow it thinking that you are guided.
Very tricky indeed, but only for the kafirs, for the believers, there is nothing to worry about.
sahara wrote:
I might be to blame for what I do when possessed by GIN, but not by a JINN.
I????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¢m sick and tired of how the kafirs keep repeating their flaws in different ways within the same comment, please read your comment again and see how many times you bloody said the same crap, well, IT WAS YOUR BLOODY DECISION TO LIVE YOUR LIFE WITHOUT ALLAH IN IT (THAT IS ENOUGH FOR ETERNAL DOOM), AND IT WILL ALSO BE YOUR DECSIOSNS TO FOLLOW YOUR APPOINTED SHAITAN IN ANY WRONG SUGGESTION THROWN AT YOU (THAT IS ENOUGH TO SECURE WHAT YOU WANTED FROM THE FIRST PLACE ????????????????????????????¢?????????????????????¢??????????????????????¬?????????????????????¢?? TO STAY AWAY FROM ALLAH), see YOU HAVE BEEN DONE REALLY WELL, but again blame yourself, it is your decisions all the way.
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